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1 posted on 03/17/2012 12:35:52 PM PDT by God-fear-republican
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To: God-fear-republican

Call your priest right away.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 12:37:40 PM PDT by sr4402
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I would take option 2: Establish a shelter for him and those like him who fall through the crack.

If you can afford it, find a warm shelter for him somewhere - talk to your Church and see if he is willing to find work and be rehabilitated.

If I could afford it I would do anything to help these people but with the condition that they try to help themselves. If they keep on drinking or worse and don't at least try to find a job - with your help and the Church help all the way of course - then it's difficult to pull them out of their hell. But I sure would try.
4 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:49 PM PDT by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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Do not bring him into your house. All you know about him is what he has told you and he could be dangerous.

I would begin with calling Social Services. They have knowledge of resources that could be utilized to help this man, whether it be mental health programs or help with substance abuse or whatever his issue may be.

That way, you would be helping him without possibly putting yourself and your family in danger.

5 posted on 03/17/2012 12:45:08 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta ("....in the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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I worked with homeless veterans for many years. First thing: Clean and sober. If not, no help. There is NOTHING you can do for a drug addict or drunk. I learned this the hard way. You'll be tempted to try, but it WILL NOT WORK until they dry out.
6 posted on 03/17/2012 12:46:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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Before making a decision, a GREAT question to ask for your own sake might be, “Which of the shelter rules struck you as the last you’d be able to comply with...?”


7 posted on 03/17/2012 12:47:59 PM PDT by gaijin
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This man most likely has an alcohol or drug problem. WHatever money you are giving is going to that. People do NOT end up under the bridge homeless in the US unless they are a) psychiatrically delusional and refuse help or b)they are drunks or druggies. There are plenty of places that will help him. He can get a job even with a felony on the books. NO shelter would turn him away unless he was drunk or drugged up. He has found himself some folks with a good heart to take money from


8 posted on 03/17/2012 12:51:58 PM PDT by Nifster
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Funny you should be writing this when I was just talking about the down and out guy I ran into yesterday. In search of the perfect boba milk tea, we found ourselves deep in Little Saigon (Westminster, CA) and upon parking, was approached by a white guy (unusual for about 3 miles in any direction) around 14 years old. The spiel began as usual, “Ma’am, could you spare anything... hungry... etc” when I looked at him and saw such potential in his young dirty face. Deep circles under his eyes, but he wasn’t gaunt. He told me he was 19 when I asked, which made him more of a genuine down-and-out than the fakers we see in our neighborhoods, where their “begging pimps” would take that 19 year old and DEFINITELY have him say he was 14 to get more $.

I asked him how it came to this, and he told me stories of living with his dad who had schizophrenia, trying to get a job, bla bla. I don’t know if any of that was true. But he had a sweet young face, was polite, and met my eyes. So I gave him a big bag of “emergency nuts” that we keep in the car.

I also told him to stay clean and get himself in shape, enough sleep, etc. I told him I saw potential in him, even in acting if he were interested, because he looked so much younger and was the kind of fresh face they tend to cast.

His face has stuck with me. I know the hard truth is he was probably a druggie and all, but it’s a shame to see young people out there whether they chose the wrong path or were dumped there by their elders. I pray he finds his way back into society.


10 posted on 03/17/2012 1:07:38 PM PDT by Yaelle (Santorum 2012)
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Bum Fights can make him a star.

There is a big market for that stuff on Youtube.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 1:10:27 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: God-fear-republican

You are a kind man.

In my view, it takes at least as much wisdom as compassion to really help someone. As an earlier poster pointed out - your kindness may simply be enabling them to remain in destructive sin.

I think the first step is to learn all you can about him - particularly if there are addictions or mental issues. Are there other relatives nearby? Is he on public assistance now? Is he “on file” somewhere? Health issues?

All I can say is - maybe a path will become clear after that.


13 posted on 03/17/2012 1:17:56 PM PDT by PGR88
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a lot of good good wisdom here already!

It is so sad that there are so many scammers out there.
I would hesitate to get him involved in the “social services” system. I think the government has been doing too much that the church should do. But it is hard dealing with an alcoholic/druggy/thief so protect yourself.


18 posted on 03/17/2012 1:50:31 PM PDT by vanilla swirl (We are the Patrick Henry we have been waiting for!)
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Check and see if there is a Places for People or organization like them anywhere nearby. Here in St. Louis they operate expressly to help people who are homeless and mentally ill/addicted.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 2:07:59 PM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Lynn Stewart, Helen Thomas, Rosie ODonnell, Maureen Dowd, Medea Benjamin - The Axis of Ugly)
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About the time he was 2 years old was the last time for easy intervention. At this point, his life is like a massive logjam and the alcohol is used to help him get his mind off his problems. There is no easy solution to what ails him but no solution is possible until he sobers up.
24 posted on 03/17/2012 2:34:45 PM PDT by fso301
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Get a third party, preferably a private party, preferably through a private charity, to do the following:
1. Background check
2. Credit check
3. You have to get him to agree to see a doctor, preferably a primary care physician, or a mental health counselor. You also have to get him to agree to allow a trusted third party (also a mental health field pro) to have access to his HIPAA medical/mental health records. You either do this or you have to hand this off to the state or a private charity. You, and not you alone, for legal reasons, pick a few people in your study group to make a decision, decide on further action based on the advice of the attending physician and your 2nd opinion doc.

4. Get him a annual physical, pay for it out of pocket.

After you are done healing with his mind and body, start working on his soul.

i.e. A guy with a drinking problem and diabetes needs insulin before the Word.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 2:36:49 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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He doesn’t want to use the local shelter because they won’t let him to come in under the influence.

What sort of shelter would you open? One where the residents can be high or drunk?

If he’s not willing to be sober for a night, he is missing step one. Why enable him to stay drunk? This does not help a man, it hurts him.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 3:06:22 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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Vet him as if he was going to be your President. Check his story, all of it. Find out if he has friends. If he was living with mom then he should have plenty of friends in his neighborhood to vouch for him.

I have many years of working with the homeless. Do NOT let them into your home, especially if you have a family. Do NOT give them money unless it is done in a dispassionate obedience in the spirit, not from being swayed by a sob-story heart-tug.

There is so much money and help and food and shelter available to aid the truly needy 100 times over. That he will not avail himself of it is a big ol’ red flag.


34 posted on 03/17/2012 8:08:55 PM PDT by JoanVarga ("Yes We Can" It's not just a slogan. It's a threat.)
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