In your post you have McWinney claiming that slavery died out in the north because of the weather. Sorry but that is simply wrong.
I was speaking of the 1800s when the Civil War occurred not the 1700s.
Check your post #83. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your point, but it looks to me like you are discussing the use of slavery in the south versus the disuse of slavery in the north. This northern discontinuation of slavery works itself out in the 17th and 18th centuries. It didn't happen right before the WBTS.
The North had more railroads with the same gauge whereas the South only had multiple gauge railroads from plantation to port cities. Industry is what helped the North win the war whereas the lack of industry defeated the South. Lack of port cities in their hands were also a factor.
True. It is also worth mentioning that the South had a general lack of railroad trunk lines. The North had built trunk lines with corporate welfare from the government - a sore spot with southerners who felt that they were paying tariffs that were all being spent in the north.
I agree about the ports. In fact I think the loss of their ports was one of the three things that ultimately doomed the South. The other two reasons were their insane foreign trade policies and the ill advised policy of allowing representatives from captured districts to continue to sit in the Congress and vote.
What industry was in the South before the CW?
The South had quite a bit of industry and the upper South was industrializing quickly in the late 1850's. Much of Southern industry was destroyed during or closed after the war. There was a huge iron works at Richmond for example which made most of the canon used by the Confederate army during the war. The Yankees just closed it so it wouldn't compete with northern industry (Seward and Stanton were both steel magnates).
“True. It is also worth mentioning that the South had a general lack of railroad trunk lines. The North had built trunk lines with corporate welfare from the government - a sore spot with southerners who felt that they were paying tariffs that were all being spent in the north.”
The South had no real railroad network except the Nashville-Chattanooga Line. Most Southern RRs were only intended to connect towns to the coast for transporting cotton and other agricultural goods.
“I agree about the ports. In fact I think the loss of their ports was one of the three things that ultimately doomed the South. The other two reasons were their insane foreign trade policies and the ill advised policy of allowing representatives from captured districts to continue to sit in the Congress and vote.”
A lack both of ports and a maritime tradition.
“The South had quite a bit of industry and the upper South was industrializing quickly in the late 1850’s. Much of Southern industry was destroyed during or closed after the war. There was a huge iron works at Richmond for example which made most of the canon used by the Confederate army during the war. The Yankees just closed it so it wouldn’t compete with northern industry (Seward and Stanton were both steel magnates).”
A lot of industrial expansion was launched during the war as Richmond embarked on a rough, wartime socialism. Old, abandoned facilities like the famous Catherine Furnace near Chancellorsville were brought back into operation.
The United States did similar things in WWII by reopening abandoned mines and whatnot.
McWhinney said that is was more cost effective to have slaves in the Southern states due to the type of crops they grew and the advance of industrialization in the North. So yes, slaves were scarce in the North before the CW began.
My point was that it was not due to the moral superiority of Northerners as some would suggest.
Besides Tredegar Iron works were there any other major industries?