Did Australian Aborigines reach America first?

Cosmo Online ^ | 30 Sep 2010 | Jacqui Hayes

[muir_redwoods]

for later

[SunkenCiv]

This is a blank form to fill in for genealogy, laboriously handcrafted by yours truly. The leftmost column is for your great-great-great-great-grandparents. There were 64 of them (give or take any cousin marriages within that span of seven generations; I've never found any, and have a reasonable expectation that the currently unknown spaces on my own tree are not duplicated in a seven-gen span).

As each of us (well, most of us) have 46 chromosomes -- 23 from each side -- at least 18 of the gggggrandparents contributed no chromosomes to my genetic constitution. That doesn't mean that they aren't my ancestors.

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ggggGrand	gggGrand	ggGrand	gGrand	Grand	parents	YOU

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[rdl6989]

Ah, fun with tables. That would drive me crazy!

[Redcitizen]

I’d like to buy a vowel. j/k =)

[muawiyah]

Since most of our ancestors lived tribally or in small villages, and usually didn't go far for brides, those Great and ever so Greats should start showing up within 4 or 5 generations ~ I know ALL of mine do!

Bwahahahahahaha!

(except for some of the women ~ they get passed on to other families)

[Tainan]

Jimmy Carvile.

[Question_Assumptions]

The original population just sort of "died out", accidentally, and their dying off has absolutely nothing to do with the arrival of the people from Northern Asia because humans never have anything to do with mass extinctions. They just sort of happy by themselves, coincidentally, just as humans show up.

[Question_Assumptions]

Yet, the Eastern Europeans have no more ancestors from East Asian than do Western Europeans!

Ever hear of the Huns?

[ApplegateRanch]

Uh-huh. The currents down that-a-way run from east to west, so let's try this on: The Aborigines came from South America, and those 11,000 year old skeletons are representatives of the last remnants of the Aborigine's New World ancestors.

They need to dig deeper, but the boys with the shovels are loathe to do that, because they have convinced themselves there isn't anything down there except dirt & rocks.

The only thing that is certain is that the taxonomists really screwed up our specie's designation. It should be Homo Meanderingcuss, because that is the one thing we have always done: meander all over the place; stop and maul a locality for a while, then move elsewhere, where the mooching is easier.

[ApplegateRanch]

The fundamental problem of cranial analysis is that there are NO genes focused exclusively on cranial shape.

There are changes through time that literally mean nothing ~

You trying to say that the Science of Phrenology is a crock of corky cranberries? ;-)

[Palter]

This is what happens when you dig deeper.

Topper (archaeological site)

[1010RD]

Are you doubting the science of phrenology?

[Eldon Tyrell]

They may designate them central Asians.

But it is a weird thing to say. Especially when obvious visually.

[ComputerGuy]

Round-headed vs long-headed is just one of the ways skull shapes are measured, as I'm sure you know. A great book, and one that I've had since high school is Early Man in the New World (1962) by Macgowan and Hester. They mention several South American skulls which had keeled vaults and/or heavy brow ridges - features that are largely lacking in Asian populations.
It's a fascinating subject and one that I wish had pursued. It's certainly been my main area of interest all my life.

[muawiyah]

Yeah, I've heard of the Huns. Now, have you heard of the Ice Age?

East Asian migration to Europe made a full 5% impact on ALL European populations. With small populations, the migration of a few mighty hunters, or the importation of a beautiful woman could have a massive impact.

The Huns added a very negligible amount ~ same for the Mongols, etc.

[muawiyah]

No, I didn't say that since there are multiple genes working together that can adjust facial identification points so that you look like your father.

But turning a long head into a round head appears to be beyond any identifiable genetic control.

[ApplegateRanch]

Topper Site was just exactly what I had in mind. Have to love the last of the Wiki article, which corroborates what I said: Until the recent challenges to the Clovis theory, it was unusual for archaeologists to dig deeper than the layer of the Clovis culture, on the grounds that no human artifacts would be found older than Clovis.

We won't dig, because we won't find anything, because we believe there is nothing to find, so there is no reason to dig to try to find what we don't believe exists....

Same thing with the centuries of 'no pre-Columbus New World visitation' on the part of historians.

[chesley]

But only Columbus actually made it count.

[Question_Assumptions]

The B blood type, the most common in China for example, is more prevalent in Poland than Germany, France, or Britain and much more prevalent in Hungary than any of those suggesting stronger Asian ties. Look also, for example, at the distributions of haplogroup C3 as well as N, P, and Q.

And while it's true that a small migration can leave a larger genetic footprint on a small population, a relatively small group of military conquerers can leave a fairly large genetic footprint. A team of geneticists claim that 1 in 12 men in Asia carry a Y chromosome mutation that originated in Mongolia 1,000 years ago, the legacy of Genghis Khan's conquests.