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Cops Pursue Warrant in Woods Case
TMZ.com ^ | 11/30/09 | Staff

Posted on 11/29/2009 11:25:00 PM PST by OldDeckHand

Sources tell TMZ the Florida Highway Patrol is now focusing on obtaining a search warrant -- allowing them to seize medical records from the hospital that treated Tiger Woods -- in an attempt to determine if the wounds Woods sustained are consistent with a car accident or domestic violence

We're told authorities believe they can show probable cause a crime was committed, a necessary step in obtaining a warrant.

One big piece of evidence showing probable cause ... sources tell us Tiger's wife, Elin Nordegren told FHP troopers she went looking for Tiger in a golf cart, came upon the accident and then used a golf club to break the window to gain entry. That's a very different story from what she first told Windemere cops shortly after the accident -- she never mentioned a golf cart. Nordegren told Windemere police she had walked out of her house, saw the crash, went back inside to get a golf club and returned to the vehicle.

(Excerpt) Read more at tmz.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Miscellaneous; Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: accident; assault; dv; tiger; tigerwoods
At least it sounds like their starting to treat this case as they would in any other possible DV situation, finally.
1 posted on 11/29/2009 11:25:02 PM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

I believe Tiger has already canceled (twice) a news conference about this latest story.


2 posted on 11/29/2009 11:28:49 PM PST by period end of story (Give me a firm spot, and I will move the world.)
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To: period end of story
"I believe Tiger has already canceled (twice) a news conference about this latest story."

A news conference or a police interview? I had heard about the interviews being canceled and then rescheduled and then canceled again.

3 posted on 11/29/2009 11:30:10 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

I am not buying a TMZ story until it is at least corroborated by the Weekly World News.


4 posted on 11/29/2009 11:34:27 PM PST by microgood
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To: OldDeckHand

Would have waited this long if his wife was the one in the crash?

About the only real positive to come out of this for Tiger is that he apparently fled rather than hit his wife.


5 posted on 11/29/2009 11:39:33 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: microgood
"I am not buying a TMZ story until it is at least corroborated by the Weekly World News."

They trade in celebrity gossip/crime stories, so there's a substantial element of cheese and salaciousness in their reporting. OTOH, they broke the MJ death about an hour before everyone else. They had the Travolta extortion plot days before anyone else. They had the Prejean sex tape right. In short, they seem to be a whole lot more accurate than CBSABCNBCMSNBC.

I personally enjoy the site because they show celebrities in their natural habitat, warts and all - very much unlike the traditional broadcast networks and cable outlets who also produce movies and broadcast sporting events who tend to gloss over the most incriminating or damaging stories of their own cash cows.

6 posted on 11/29/2009 11:43:25 PM PST by OldDeckHand (Obamacare - So bad, even Joe Lieberman isn't going to vote for it.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Over 186,000 people have already voted “yes” on their question “Is Tiger hiding something?”.

BTW does anyone else notice Rachel Uchitel’s last name could be pronounced something like “Who’d she tell”? Try saying it!


7 posted on 11/30/2009 12:03:16 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: OldDeckHand

Doesn’t he know that this violence is just going to keep happening over and over again unless she gets help?

Filing a police report is the first step.

Is there a shelter he can go to?

/s

They don’t want to kiss of the endorsement dough.


8 posted on 11/30/2009 12:09:51 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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To: OldDeckHand

I’m still trying to figure out why she’d bust out the back window of the Escalade if Woods ran over a fire hydrant. I doubt he flipped all the way into the back.


9 posted on 11/30/2009 12:10:06 AM PST by VeniVidiVici (Keep your dog. Get rid of a Liberal.)
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To: OldDeckHand
One big piece of evidence showing probable cause ... sources tell us Tiger's wife, Elin Nordegren told FHP troopers she went looking for Tiger in a golf cart, came upon the accident and then used a golf club to break the window to gain entry. That's a very different story from what she first told Windemere cops shortly after the accident -- she never mentioned a golf cart. Nordegren told Windemere police she had walked out of her house, saw the crash, went back inside to get a golf club and returned to the vehicle.

RULE ONE: NEVER EVER speak to the cops

RULE 2 - 10: EVER EVER break rule number ONE

If no one had spoken to the cops here no one would have a problem now - there is NEVER a good reason to speak with the cops - they are not EVER there to help anyone but themselves

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10 posted on 11/30/2009 12:10:48 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: OldDeckHand
"And there's more ... although alcohol was not involved, Tiger was in and out of consciousness and TMZ has already reported Tiger told a friend he was taking prescription meds for pain, which could be evidence of DUI. This, too, could constitute probable cause to obtain a warrant."

He's on 'pain meds'.....this will be interesting....

11 posted on 11/30/2009 12:13:05 AM PST by BossLady (Acorn slogan - PIMP LIKE YOU'RE HO-LESS)
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To: Elle Bee
"there is NEVER a good reason to speak with the cops"

Can't agree more, Tiger is under no obligation to do so just like anyone else.

This seems like a good time to link to the following 2 videos of a presentation on the subject. If you have never watched them, please take the time!

Don T Talk To Cops Part 1

Don't Talk to Cops, Part 2

The first lecture is from a lawyer and the second is from a cop. It will take you about 45 minutes to get through both but IMO, its worth it.

12 posted on 11/30/2009 12:26:07 AM PST by voteNRA (New baby! - pictures on my profile page)
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To: voteNRA
It will take you about 45 minutes to get through both but IMO, its worth it.

How about --- I believe you and will follow your advice. There, I saved 45 minutes of being lectured to.

13 posted on 11/30/2009 2:33:07 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: OldDeckHand

I do not think they were scratches on Tigers face.

In golf they are called divits.


14 posted on 11/30/2009 2:58:47 AM PST by ALinArleta (One shot! One kill!)
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To: voteNRA

Great videos. Thanks for posting.


15 posted on 11/30/2009 2:59:52 AM PST by ab01
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To: voteNRA

I’ll watch those later - thanks.


16 posted on 11/30/2009 3:32:43 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: OldDeckHand
You were saying ...

At least it sounds like their starting to treat this case as they would in any other possible DV situation, finally.

And that's a good example of why no one should ever talk to the police... They're always looking for someone to arrest in order to provide a rationale for them being there... LOL...

And if "there" happens to be where you are -- then the "do not talk to the police" is the best advice you can ever get... :-)

Talking to the Police by Professor James Duane

Professor James Duane’s now famous 5th Amendment lecture - popularly known as “Don’t talk to the police!” - has amassed a considerable internet following. The lecture, given as part of Regent Law School’s spring preview weekend.

17 posted on 11/30/2009 4:00:11 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: microgood
You were saying ...

I am not buying a TMZ story until it is at least corroborated by the Weekly World News.

We need it confirmed by at least three more tabloids, so we can get some more juicy gossip out of it... LOL...

18 posted on 11/30/2009 4:01:24 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Darteaus94025
You were saying ...

Doesn’t he know that this violence is just going to keep happening over and over again unless she gets help?

What?! Him running into fire hydrants and trees? If this is happening over and over again like an obsession, you're right, he needs help... LOL...

19 posted on 11/30/2009 4:03:53 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Elle Bee
You were saying ...

RULE ONE: NEVER EVER speak to the cops

RULE 2 - 10: EVER EVER break rule number ONE

Bears repeating over and over again! :-) And if someone can't remember it, write it down and put it in your pocket...


If no one had spoken to the cops here no one would have a problem now - there is NEVER a good reason to speak with the cops - they are not EVER there to help anyone but themselves

Let me say that one again, please.... it bears repeating over and over again on every thread that comes up with Tiger Woods and this episode... :-)

If no one had spoken to the cops here no one would have a problem now - there is NEVER a good reason to speak with the cops - they are not EVER there to help anyone but themselves

Keep that in mind folks... this is the "take away" information from this whole episode.... :-)

20 posted on 11/30/2009 4:08:43 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Elle Bee

>>RULE ONE: NEVER EVER speak to the cops

And if anyone doesn’t believe that, they need to watch this. Well worth the 30 minutes.

Don’t Talk to Cops, Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Also if you don’t believe it, just ask Martha Stewart.


21 posted on 11/30/2009 4:09:04 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: voteNRA

Oh, dang, you beat me to it.


22 posted on 11/30/2009 4:09:37 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Part two from the cop indemnifies the point - he says don't ever speak to the cops!

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23 posted on 11/30/2009 4:56:52 AM PST by Elle Bee
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To: MediaMole
He could have avoided it altogether(if any of it is indeed true, we really don't know one way or another)if he had simply followed the advice given to my unit when I was a young soldier: KYPIYP. Keep Your Pecker In Your Pants.

Good advice for all married men to follow(and for married women to follow the exact opposite advice, keep them out of her pants).

Had he followed that advice except when at home with wifey there would have been no domestic violence, at least not with golf clubs.

24 posted on 11/30/2009 5:17:53 AM PST by calex59
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To: voteNRA

I really like the police officer who has had decades of experience interrogating individuals.... he says “it’s stacked against you...” LOL...

That’s for sure... :-)


25 posted on 11/30/2009 8:34:28 AM PST by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Good, finally.


26 posted on 11/30/2009 10:16:08 AM PST by FTJM
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To: canuck_conservative
BTW does anyone else notice Rachel Uchitel’s last name could be pronounced something like “Who’d she tell”?

Uchitel means "teacher" in Russian (although IIRC it is the masculine form of the word).

27 posted on 11/30/2009 10:22:08 AM PST by wideminded
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To: BossLady

“He’s on ‘pain meds’.....this will be interesting....”

One report I read said the wife even ran into the house and showed the police the two prescription meds he was taking...but said she didn’t know if he had taken them.


28 posted on 12/01/2009 7:05:40 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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