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http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1505&category=Environment

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More Ohio Eyewitnesses See Glowing “Pod” Rise Up to Triangle

“The closer the glowing pod got (to the triangle craft),
you could see there was a bottom surface between the three bright
circular lights - a dark, charcoal grey or black - that had a rough
texture like burnt aluminum foil all crumpled up and you straighten it out.”
- Sarah, Security Guard, Empire and Stratton, Ohio

. . . . DRAWING CAPTIONED WITH:

3:45 AM Eastern, October 23, 2008, Empire, Ohio,
on old Route 7, three-tenths of a mile north of truck driver
Tim Comstock's location on new Route 7. Sketch of unidentified
triangular aerial craft's “crumpled tinfoil” bottom
surface © 2008 by Sarah, Security Guard.

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THE CAPTION BELOW IS OF A VERY INTERESTING PIC OF THE TRIANGLE CRAFT WITH THE BRIGHTER SMALLER THING RISING UP TO IT.

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Cell phone image around 3:48 AM Eastern, October 23, 2008,
on Route 7 near W. H. Sammis coal power plant between Empire
and Stratton, Ohio, along Ohio River. Image © 2008 by Tim Comstock.

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December 12, 2008 Empire and Midvale, Ohio - During my late night October 23 to 24, 2008, news updates for Coast to Coast AM radio, in the last half-hour of live calls, a trucker named Tim Comstock phoned in. He was excited to tell us what he had seen at 3:45 AM on October 23, in Empire, Ohio - a triangular craft with glowing lights at the three corners above a glowing object that was rising up to the craft’s dark, crystalline surface. Tim took three photos of the objects on his cell phone, which I reported in an October 31, 2008, Earthfiles report. See: 103108 Earthfiles.

Since then, I have received more reports from Ohio residents provoked enough by Tim Comstock’s photographs at Earthfiles to contact me about their own sightings of the triangle and the very strange, glowing “pod,” or “cocoon” as Tim described it, rising up into the triangular craft.

Another eyewitness is a security guard I’ll call Sarah, who works in the Stratton and Empire, Ohio, region. The largest company there is the W. H. Sammis coal power plant. About 40 miles northeast are three other power plants owned and operated by FirstEnergy Corp. Two are nuclear stations at Beaver Valley Power Station and FENOC (FirstEnergy Nuclear Operating Co.), both in Shippingport on the Pennsylvania side of the Ohio River. The third First Energy company in Shippingport is the Bruce Mansfield Plant, First Energy's largest coal-fired power plant.

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Interviews:

Sarah, Security Guard, Empire and Stratton, Ohio: “The first time I saw the triangular shape of lights was in the beginning of August 2008. I was at work. I was sitting at our north gate. My dad always taught me you can learn many things looking at the sky, so I’m a sky watcher. I was looking at the different stars and in this one section of sky above the plant, the stars just suddenly seemed to disappear. As I was watching, there were these three, bright, yellowish-white lights that appeared. They were in a triangular pattern. You couldn’t see any 3-dimensional form to it. There were just the three lights. Those three lights hovered for a while. They would get bright and then they would go a little duller like they would have a little bit of orange mixed into them.

They hovered for a while and then it moved straight up in the sky and it moved towards the east. Then it stopped and started to go north and then zigzagged from west to east and then it took off straight up. It was almost faster than your eyes could follow it.

DO YOU REMEMBER THE DATE IN AUGUST?

I believe it was like August 5 or 6, right around midnight. But at that time in August, it did not have the 3-D pod under it. It didn’t have that in August. And there was one person who was working that night, who said they had seen something, but they were up a little further north than I was. They said they saw something block out the stars and there were bright lights.”

3:45 AM, October 23, 2008
Sarah Also Sees Glowing “Pod”
Rising Toward Triangle of Lights

Sarah didn’t talk to anyone else about the early August sighting of the triangle pattern of lights that moved so strangely. But three months later at 3:45 AM on October 23, 2008, not only was she seeing the triangle pattern of round lights again, but rising below the triangular aircraft was a mysterious, large, orange-yellow, glowing object that she refers to as a “pod.” Truck driver Tim Comstock felt the rising, glowing object was somehow alive and organic and called it a “cocoon.” Tim could not stop his truck and never saw what happened when the glowing cocoon, or pod, reached the triangle of lights. But Sarah did and now continues her description of what happened after she again saw stars disappearing in the sky.

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Sarah: “This sketch is when I first saw the triangle of lights and the orange-yellow,
3-D pod coming up from out of the trees. At first I thought that the pod was the moon coming up.
The only problem was that this is West and the moon comes up in the East. The three whitish-blue,
circle lights were super bright like looking into a spot light up close.” Sketch © 2008 by Sarah.

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Sarah: “I was doing a patrol down at our abandoned Toronto plant. I was coming northbound on old Route 7 looking at the sky and I noticed that the stars were disappearing. I pulled off to the side of the road and I noticed these three, really bright, lights. They were circular shaped and they were almost like looking into a spotlight. There were three round lights in a triangular pattern and it just hovered above the trees and there was this pod, like a 3-D (3-dimensional) pod shape that was a bright, yellowish-orange that was rising up. It came from the trees and went up towards the triangular shaped object.

The closer the glowing pod got (to the triangle craft), you could see there was a bottom surface between the three bright circular lights - a dark, charcoal grey or black - that had a rough texture like burnt aluminum foil all crumpled up and you straighten it out.

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Sarah: “This sketch is what the 3-D pod looked like to me.
I did have a strange feeling all the time that it was in the sky. The feelings
disappeared after the craft was out of sight.” Sketch © 2008 by Sarah.

HOW FAR DO YOU THINK YOU WERE FROM THAT RISING COCOON OR POD IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE TIM COMSTOCK WAS?

From there, I was probably three-tenths of a mile further north from where he was.
The 3-D pod kept rising up. I never saw an opening in the bottom of the craft. But it was as the pod got closer, it was like the triangular craft sucked it in. I can’t explain. It was just like the pod suddenly disappeared. And then the bright lights hovered there for a few minutes and then they just shot up!

“Not from this Earth!”

INTUITIVELY, DID YOU HAVE ANY INSTINCT ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE WATCHING?

At first, no. When I first saw the lights, I wasn’t sure what it was. But when I saw the 3-D pod shape coming up and it was not like anything I have ever seen.

MEANING THAT THE GLOWING OBJECT WAS RISING INTO THAT CRAFT THAT HAD THE THREE TRIANGULAR LIGHTS?

Yes. My immediate thought was that I had just witnessed another UFO.

NOT FROM THIS PLANET?

No. Wholeheartedly, I believe that triangular craft and pod were not from this Earth!

YOU SAY THAT BECAUSE?

Just by the feeling I got and the way it looked. I had never seen anything like that before. I had a strange feeling. You could tell by looking at it that it was not from the Earth. I have seen different airplanes and I just got this weird, almost like a tingling feeling, almost like when you know someone is watching you, but you can’t see them? It was almost like that feeling. That whole feeling quit as soon as the triangular-shaped craft disappeared, shot off. Then it was like everything went back to normal again.

IN YOUR SECURITY WORK, DID YOU GET ON THE PHONE TO ANYBODY ABOUT THIS?

I didn’t get on the phone. I was driving and went straight up to the next gate going in and asked the guard there, ‘Did you see that thing in the sky?’ And they said, ‘What?’ I asked, ‘You didn’t see the lights?’ And they said, ‘No.’

I looked south from where the guard shack was and there is a bend where one hill is coming down and then a valley and another hill. The other hill is where the lights were. So from the guard shack, they weren’t going to see anything.

Glowing “Pod” Was Rising
Near Sugar Grove Neighborhood

BACK AT THAT HILLSIDE ALONG ROUTE 7 WHERE TIM COMSTOCK PASSED THE HALF DOZEN PEOPLE PULLED OVER TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND PULLED HIS BIG TRUCK RIG DOWN TO 2 OR 3 MPH SO HE COULD WATCH AND TAKE HIS CELL PHONE PHOTOS, WHAT IS THAT HILL?

On top of that hill is a place called Sugar Grove.

WHAT IS SUGAR GROVE?

It’s basically a road with houses spread out on it. Then there is a large plot of land that drops down the hill. Where the pod seemed to be rising from was from the trees near the bottom of the hill.

SO A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS AT THE TOP OF THE HILLSIDE THAT TIM COMSTOCK COULD SEE FROM HIS TRUCK?

Yes. The Sammis power plant even has a microwave tower up there where all of our communications go through. After seeing the lights, I took a trip up there because it seemed to be the general area where the pod was lifting up. I couldn’t see anything up there. I thought maybe if it had landed, there might be marks on the ground. But it was dark and I kept looking around and I didn’t see anything.

The following weekend I went up there. We have cameras up there around the microwave tower and I was moving the cameras around to see if I could find anything like burn marks or grass laid down. I couldn’t find anything and nothing on a camera. I have seen several odd objects in the sky or hovering over that area at night.

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Large, Multi-Colored UFO
November 21, 2008

From: Sarah
Subject: New Sighting
Date: November 22, 2008
To: earthfiles@earthfiles.com
“There was a new sighting just south of the W.H. Sammis plant last night (November 21, 2008). While I was at work last night, there was a very bright light in the sky above Toronto, Ohio. It was like looking at a spotlight up close, but you could see colored light going around it - first blue, then red, then yellow, then orange. It was very strange. As I was watching, it just all of a sudden shot off to the west so fast that you could hardly follow it. Then it stopped and started zig- zagging in the sky. Then it just disappeared.”

I sent you an email about the other object that we saw the night of November 21st. I was down at the Toronto plant and looking at the sky probably five miles south of Empire. There was a bright light in the sky. It was too high to distinguish exactly what shape it was, but it had the multi-colored lights going around it – first blue would go around it, then there was the red, there was the orange, there was the yellow. And I motioned for one of the contractors down there to look and he and I stood there and watched it. It probably hovered there for a good five minutes.

HOW CLOSE TO THE GROUND?

It was way up in the sky, probably 3,000 to 4,000 feet, if not more.

BUT WAS IT LARGE?

Yes.

IF YOU EXTENDED YOUR HAND RIGHT NOW ARM’S LENGTH, WOULD YOUR HAND COVER IT?

My hand might barely cover it.

SO, YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING LARGER THAN THE FULL MOON IN THE SKY?

Yeah, pretty much – that night it was. It was huge!

THE MULTI-COLORED LIGHTS, WERE THEY SPINNING AROUND THE PERIMETER?

Yes, they were going from left to right.

FLASHING ON AND OFF?

Not really flashing on and off. It was like a steady color. When it circled, you could almost see like a trail behind it. First, it was a blue light that circled it and you could see the trail. And then there was an orange one that circled it and you could see the trail. Then it went to red and you could see the trail. Then there was a yellow one that went around it.”

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Dat's all for now. Getting sleepy.

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I believe a subscription is warranted for those with the $30+ per year for it. Otherwise, these excerpts will have to do, I guess.

More excerpts from Linda Moulton Howe's earthfiles.com.

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http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1500&category=Real%20X-Files

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Part 10: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

“You’re going to see some highly classified equipment.
At this time, we have some saucer craft that have been gathered
in the United States from New Mexico and we have other craft
that have been gathered from around the world.”
- “Col. Jim,” USAF, Area 51, Nevada

Return to Part 1

Return to Part 9

November 27, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 9. We talked more about the discrepancies between the Santilli 1995 TV broadcast of a 6-fingered being versus the non-human autopsy film that Stein watched with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, and twenty-four other men in the CIA's highly classified Project Blue Book group at the military base in the southeastern United States in July 1958. Stein also described more details about his trip with Anthony Barden and three other CIA colleagues to Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, to see “saucer craft” and the living, grey-colored, non-human entity.

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Non-Human Protruding Bellies

IN THE AUTOPSY FILM YOU SAW, AFTER THEY OPENED UP THE CHEST AND REMOVED THAT FIRST LARGE ORGAN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY SHOWED OR REMOVED FROM THE DISTENDED BELLY AREA?

There was nothing that resembled intestines at all. It was just a bunch of smaller organs. One looked a little bit like our kidneys, only a little wider and bigger. But there was nothing there that I saw in 1958 that really resembled 100% any human organs of any kind.

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More About Non-Human Brain

AFTER CUTTING THE BEING OPEN AND LIFTING OUT THE VARIOUS ORGANS, DID THE PROCEDURE THEN SWITCH TO THE BRAIN?

Yes. I don’t remember them taking everything out of the being, but they took a lot of organs out of the abdomen area and around it, but it seems like there was something left in there. And then they started on the head. And just above his eyebrows is where they cut his head all the way around and opened up the skull. When they opened the skullcap up, it did not look as thick as our human skulls. Human skulls are pretty thick and it was not that thick. But the skull cap itself when they sat it down on the edge of the table, it could stand by itself and was still a skullcap, so it was thick enough for that.

THEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE BRANCHES WITH LOBES THAT WERE MORE OF A GREY COLOR AND NOT BLACK OR DARK IN THE BLACK AND WHITE MOTION PICTURE FILM?

Yes.

WHAT DID THE SURGEONS DO? DID THEY CUT OUT A LOBE OR BRANCHES?

No, they held the opened head toward the camera so you could see the two hemispheres of the brain. But they did not take the brain out of the skull. They left the brain where it was. Then they made another cut down by the ear like they were trying to see the inner ear, maybe in respect to the eye so they could see from the brain to the eye as far as the visual connection in the brain – something like that.

LINK TWO . . .

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http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1501&category=Real+X-Files

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Part 11: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

“We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon
about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special
Project Blue Book.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst

Return to Part 1

Return to Part 10

November 30, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 10, in which he concludes his description of the several disc craft stored inside Papoose Mountain at Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, including some identified as “German Vril” craft. Stein also described a trip to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, in June 1958, two months before the Area 51 trip. While in the Washington, D. C. area, the two men were scheduled for a meeting with Vice President Richard M. Nixon.

Stein: “At Area 51, the first two craft we saw looked almost identical. They were smaller, not nearly as big as one in the back. Col. Jim mentioned that those two were ‘Vril craft.’ We asked him what ‘Vril’ was. The Col. said it was a foreign saucer built in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Then he pointed up ahead and said the next three craft were alien (extraterrestrial) craft retrieved from New Mexico. There were three more in the back and they were huge, all sitting on metal sawhorses or stands to keep them off the ground. The disc on the very end was a huge one and Col. Jim said that was a German WWII craft built in 1938 and was jacked up higher on stands because it had a gun emplacement underneath, which he said the Germans called a ‘death ray.’ It was a different shape than the other craft, was dark in color and had a larger top that stood up probably 10 or 12 feet above the saucer. That one had a diameter of about 50 or 60 feet.

[ Editor's Note: Nazi-Disc-Photos.html reports: “The SS E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4), a development unit of the SS occult Order of the Black Sun was tasked with
researching alternative energies to make the Third Reich independent of scarce fuel oil for war production. Their work included developing alternative energies and fuels.
“This group allegedly developed by 1939 a revolutionary electro-magnetic-gravitic engine which improved Hans Coler’s free energy machine into an energy Konverter coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and Marconi vortex dynamo (a spherical tank of mercury) to create powerful rotating electromagnetic fields that affected gravity and reduced mass. It was designated the Thule Triebwerk (Thrustwork, a.ka. Tachyonator-7 drive) and was to be installed into a Thule-designed disc.
Haunebu I
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“In 1935, the Thule Gesellschaft (Society) was scouting for a remote, inconspicuous, underdeveloped testing ground for such a craft. Thule found a location in northwest Germany that was known as Hauneburg. For wartime security reasons, the name was shortened to Haunebu in 1939. The early Haunebu I craft, of which two prototypes were constructed, were 25 meters (82 feet) in diameter, had a crew of eight and could achieve the incredible initial velocity of 4,800 km/h, but at low altitude. Further enhancement enabled the machine to reach 17,000 km/h. Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities, a special armor called Victalen (Frozen Smoke) was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft. The Haunebu I had a double hull of Victalen.
“The early models also attempted to test out a rather large experimental gun installation - the twin 60 mm KSK (KraftStrahlKanone, Strong Ray Cannon) which operated off the Triebwerk for power. It has been suggested that the ray from this weapon made it a laser, but it was not. The Germans called it an ‘anachronism’ gun - not belonging to that time period or out of place.
Haunebu II
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Heavily Armed Flight Gyro
Diameter: 26.3m/ 32.0 m Do-Stra
Drive: Thule Tachyonator (Thule Triebwerk) 7c
Control: Mag Field Impulser 4a
Speed: 6,000 km/h (theoretically up to 21,000 km/h)
Armament: 6 x 80 mm KSK in 3 rotating turrets
1 x 110 mm KSK in 1 rotating turret
Armor: Triple Victalen
Crew: 9 (with room for up to 20 people)
Quiet flight: 19 minutes
All weather, day and night, capable
Employment fitness: 100%
First flight: 1942
Available for service: 1944
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“When a Vril 7 was downed by the Russians in 1945, a similar underbelly mounted KSK gun was destroyed with debris recovered from the battle site. Postwar, the strange metal balls and tungsten spirals that made up the weapon could not be identified. But recently it has been speculated
that the Triebwerk-connected balls formed cascade oscillators that were connected to a long barrel-shrouded transmission rod wrapped in a precision tungsten spiral, or coil to transmit a powerful energy burst suitable to pierce up to 4 inches (100 millimeters) of enemy armor. The heavy gun installation, however, badly destabilized the disc.”

Stein: “At Area 51, the craft described by Col. Jim as ‘Vril’ were not shiny silver. It almost looked like they were fabric-covered because there was no shininess. Maybe the metal was deteriorating after twenty years (1938 to 1958).

YOU HAD NEVER HEARD OF A GERMAN-MADE DISC BEFORE THEN?

Well, on our first trip to Washington, D. C. with Anthony Barden, we were in the CIA headquarters warehouse of files and saw some documents about Germany at the end of World War II.

WHAT DATE DID YOU MAKE THAT TRIP WITH BARDEN?

In May or June 1958. That was shortly before our CIA group in the southeastern U. S. military base received our first UFO photographs. Anthony Barden and I went to Langley. It was supposed to be a White House trip.

YOU MEAN TO TALK WITH THE PRESIDENT?

Yes, and the President was Dwight D. Eisenhower and the Vice President was Richard M. Nixon. We had not seen the Italian or other UFO photos at that point. We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special Project Blue Book, but that meeting never materialized. We first stopped off at Langley CIA headquarters in Virginia where we were first scheduled to stop. The rest of the trip was cancelled. I don’t know if it was because Nixon had to fly somewhere. But something happened and we never met him. So, we did our own research in the CIA archive.

WERE YOU GOING TO MEET VICE PRESIDENT NIXON THERE?

No, we were going to the White House in the Oval Office. That’s where we met three times after that first appointment was cancelled.

AFTER 1958?

Yes.

HAD ANTHONY BARDEN MET WITH NIXON BEFORE?

Yes, he had. Anthony was in the White House with some CIA officials just shortly after Eisenhower took office, which was in January 1953.

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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.

WHY FT. RILEY?

Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.

THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?

As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.

Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.

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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.

WHY FT. RILEY?

Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.

THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?

As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.

Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.

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Continued at the 2nd link above.

OOOOPS FORGOT THE PING TO THE SMALLEST UFO PRIORITY INTEREST BUDDY LIST--NEAR MOST FREQUENT PINGS FOR TOPIC.

NOTE: I know that most of the LMH links I post are for subscribers only. Nevertheless, it is reasonable, courteous, and required that I post the links in order to have permission to post the excerpts.

I believe a subscription is warranted for those with the $30+ per year for it. Otherwise, these excerpts will have to do, I guess.

More excerpts from Linda Moulton Howe's earthfiles.com.

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http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1500&category=Real%20X-Files

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Part 10: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

“You’re going to see some highly classified equipment.
At this time, we have some saucer craft that have been gathered
in the United States from New Mexico and we have other craft
that have been gathered from around the world.”
- “Col. Jim,” USAF, Area 51, Nevada

Return to Part 1

Return to Part 9

November 27, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 9. We talked more about the discrepancies between the Santilli 1995 TV broadcast of a 6-fingered being versus the non-human autopsy film that Stein watched with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, and twenty-four other men in the CIA's highly classified Project Blue Book group at the military base in the southeastern United States in July 1958. Stein also described more details about his trip with Anthony Barden and three other CIA colleagues to Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, to see “saucer craft” and the living, grey-colored, non-human entity.

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Non-Human Protruding Bellies

IN THE AUTOPSY FILM YOU SAW, AFTER THEY OPENED UP THE CHEST AND REMOVED THAT FIRST LARGE ORGAN, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THEY SHOWED OR REMOVED FROM THE DISTENDED BELLY AREA?

There was nothing that resembled intestines at all. It was just a bunch of smaller organs. One looked a little bit like our kidneys, only a little wider and bigger. But there was nothing there that I saw in 1958 that really resembled 100% any human organs of any kind.

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More About Non-Human Brain

AFTER CUTTING THE BEING OPEN AND LIFTING OUT THE VARIOUS ORGANS, DID THE PROCEDURE THEN SWITCH TO THE BRAIN?

Yes. I don’t remember them taking everything out of the being, but they took a lot of organs out of the abdomen area and around it, but it seems like there was something left in there. And then they started on the head. And just above his eyebrows is where they cut his head all the way around and opened up the skull. When they opened the skullcap up, it did not look as thick as our human skulls. Human skulls are pretty thick and it was not that thick. But the skull cap itself when they sat it down on the edge of the table, it could stand by itself and was still a skullcap, so it was thick enough for that.

THEN YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE BRANCHES WITH LOBES THAT WERE MORE OF A GREY COLOR AND NOT BLACK OR DARK IN THE BLACK AND WHITE MOTION PICTURE FILM?

Yes.

WHAT DID THE SURGEONS DO? DID THEY CUT OUT A LOBE OR BRANCHES?

No, they held the opened head toward the camera so you could see the two hemispheres of the brain. But they did not take the brain out of the skull. They left the brain where it was. Then they made another cut down by the ear like they were trying to see the inner ear, maybe in respect to the eye so they could see from the brain to the eye as far as the visual connection in the brain – something like that.

LINK TWO . . .

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http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1501&category=Real+X-Files

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Part 11: Army/CIA Unit Studied the Real UFO Blue Book Cases

“We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon
about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special
Project Blue Book.” - “Stein,” Former Army/CIA UFO Analyst

Return to Part 1

Return to Part 10

November 30, 2008 Albuquerque, New Mexico - My June 29, 1998, interview with Stein at his Florida home continues from Part 10, in which he concludes his description of the several disc craft stored inside Papoose Mountain at Area 51, Nellis AFB, Nevada, including some identified as “German Vril” craft. Stein also described a trip to CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia, with his CIA boss, Anthony Barden, in June 1958, two months before the Area 51 trip. While in the Washington, D. C. area, the two men were scheduled for a meeting with Vice President Richard M. Nixon.

Stein: “At Area 51, the first two craft we saw looked almost identical. They were smaller, not nearly as big as one in the back. Col. Jim mentioned that those two were ‘Vril craft.’ We asked him what ‘Vril’ was. The Col. said it was a foreign saucer built in Germany in the 1920s and 1930s. Then he pointed up ahead and said the next three craft were alien (extraterrestrial) craft retrieved from New Mexico. There were three more in the back and they were huge, all sitting on metal sawhorses or stands to keep them off the ground. The disc on the very end was a huge one and Col. Jim said that was a German WWII craft built in 1938 and was jacked up higher on stands because it had a gun emplacement underneath, which he said the Germans called a ‘death ray.’ It was a different shape than the other craft, was dark in color and had a larger top that stood up probably 10 or 12 feet above the saucer. That one had a diameter of about 50 or 60 feet.

[ Editor's Note: Nazi-Disc-Photos.html reports: “The SS E-IV (Entwicklungsstelle 4), a development unit of the SS occult Order of the Black Sun was tasked with
researching alternative energies to make the Third Reich independent of scarce fuel oil for war production. Their work included developing alternative energies and fuels.
“This group allegedly developed by 1939 a revolutionary electro-magnetic-gravitic engine which improved Hans Coler’s free energy machine into an energy Konverter coupled to a Van De Graaf band generator and Marconi vortex dynamo (a spherical tank of mercury) to create powerful rotating electromagnetic fields that affected gravity and reduced mass. It was designated the Thule Triebwerk (Thrustwork, a.ka. Tachyonator-7 drive) and was to be installed into a Thule-designed disc.
Haunebu I
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“In 1935, the Thule Gesellschaft (Society) was scouting for a remote, inconspicuous, underdeveloped testing ground for such a craft. Thule found a location in northwest Germany that was known as Hauneburg. For wartime security reasons, the name was shortened to Haunebu in 1939. The early Haunebu I craft, of which two prototypes were constructed, were 25 meters (82 feet) in diameter, had a crew of eight and could achieve the incredible initial velocity of 4,800 km/h, but at low altitude. Further enhancement enabled the machine to reach 17,000 km/h. Flight endurance was 18 hours. To resist the incredible temperatures of these velocities, a special armor called Victalen (Frozen Smoke) was pioneered by SS metallurgists specifically for both the Haunebu and Vril series of disc craft. The Haunebu I had a double hull of Victalen.
“The early models also attempted to test out a rather large experimental gun installation - the twin 60 mm KSK (KraftStrahlKanone, Strong Ray Cannon) which operated off the Triebwerk for power. It has been suggested that the ray from this weapon made it a laser, but it was not. The Germans called it an ‘anachronism’ gun - not belonging to that time period or out of place.
Haunebu II
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Heavily Armed Flight Gyro
Diameter: 26.3m/ 32.0 m Do-Stra
Drive: Thule Tachyonator (Thule Triebwerk) 7c
Control: Mag Field Impulser 4a
Speed: 6,000 km/h (theoretically up to 21,000 km/h)
Armament: 6 x 80 mm KSK in 3 rotating turrets
1 x 110 mm KSK in 1 rotating turret
Armor: Triple Victalen
Crew: 9 (with room for up to 20 people)
Quiet flight: 19 minutes
All weather, day and night, capable
Employment fitness: 100%
First flight: 1942
Available for service: 1944
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“When a Vril 7 was downed by the Russians in 1945, a similar underbelly mounted KSK gun was destroyed with debris recovered from the battle site. Postwar, the strange metal balls and tungsten spirals that made up the weapon could not be identified. But recently it has been speculated
that the Triebwerk-connected balls formed cascade oscillators that were connected to a long barrel-shrouded transmission rod wrapped in a precision tungsten spiral, or coil to transmit a powerful energy burst suitable to pierce up to 4 inches (100 millimeters) of enemy armor. The heavy gun installation, however, badly destabilized the disc.”

Stein: “At Area 51, the craft described by Col. Jim as ‘Vril’ were not shiny silver. It almost looked like they were fabric-covered because there was no shininess. Maybe the metal was deteriorating after twenty years (1938 to 1958).

YOU HAD NEVER HEARD OF A GERMAN-MADE DISC BEFORE THEN?

Well, on our first trip to Washington, D. C. with Anthony Barden, we were in the CIA headquarters warehouse of files and saw some documents about Germany at the end of World War II.

WHAT DATE DID YOU MAKE THAT TRIP WITH BARDEN?

In May or June 1958. That was shortly before our CIA group in the southeastern U. S. military base received our first UFO photographs. Anthony Barden and I went to Langley. It was supposed to be a White House trip.

YOU MEAN TO TALK WITH THE PRESIDENT?

Yes, and the President was Dwight D. Eisenhower and the Vice President was Richard M. Nixon. We had not seen the Italian or other UFO photos at that point. We were supposed to talk with Vice President Nixon about what we in the CIA were going to do with the special Project Blue Book, but that meeting never materialized. We first stopped off at Langley CIA headquarters in Virginia where we were first scheduled to stop. The rest of the trip was cancelled. I don’t know if it was because Nixon had to fly somewhere. But something happened and we never met him. So, we did our own research in the CIA archive.

WERE YOU GOING TO MEET VICE PRESIDENT NIXON THERE?

No, we were going to the White House in the Oval Office. That’s where we met three times after that first appointment was cancelled.

AFTER 1958?

Yes.

HAD ANTHONY BARDEN MET WITH NIXON BEFORE?

Yes, he had. Anthony was in the White House with some CIA officials just shortly after Eisenhower took office, which was in January 1953.

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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.

WHY FT. RILEY?

Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.

THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?

As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.

Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.

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The first thing I read was a form about Roswell. It was four pages stapled together and it was about the movement of the Roswell craft after they had been recovered on trucks and where they went. It said one craft was picked up and went to the air force base outside of Roswell for the first day. Then, on the second or third day, it had gone to Ft. Riley, Kansas, and was headed for Dayton, Ohio.

WHY FT. RILEY?

Ft. Riley is an Army training center and the Roswell craft went there just as a stopover en route to Ohio. Probably only a couple of people, or no one, new what was in the truck or trucks parked overnight.

THIS WAS EN ROUTE TO WRIGHT-PATTERSON AFB?

As I remember, it was destined for some place out side Dayton, Ohio, and then I think it went to Wright-Patterson AFB after that. I’m not certain what happened in Dayton, Ohio, but it stopped at some small base in that area. Then it went to Wright-Patterson where there was already either a classified area – or they built a classified area – because the craft would be kept there. At least one craft was there for some time, for months, and then it eventually went to California to a smaller air force base out there. Not Edwards AFB. It was another smaller base and I don’t remember the name.

Then apparently it went to Area 51 for awhile. They hauled it around to different scientists that had security clearances from WWII working on various projects and had the scientists look at the craft to see what they might recognize, what functions the craft had.

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