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Battlestar Galactica Final Episodes Live Thread
1/16/09 | Kevin Davis

Posted on 01/16/2009 6:57:44 PM PST by KevinDavis

This is the live thread for the final episodes of Battlestar Galactica!! SO SAY WE ALL!!


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KEYWORDS: battlestar; bsg; scifi
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To: KevinDavis
There is also the question of who resurrected Starbuck. If that was her Viper that was destroyed and there is no resurrection ship, how did she come back?
101 posted on 01/16/2009 8:21:19 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: tbw2

Well the ‘humans’ on ‘earth’ were Cylon ‘skin jobs’, but the ‘Centurions’ on ‘Earth’ were not related to the ‘Centurions’ on the worlds of Kobol. Go figure!


102 posted on 01/16/2009 8:21:19 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: tanknetter; All

Well something cause the war..


103 posted on 01/16/2009 8:21:36 PM PST by KevinDavis (Thomas Jefferson: A little rebellion now and then is a good thing)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Yeah. Knew it wasn't one of the major current characters...to obvious. That's not the RDM style. Been thinking it since Saul starting having a fling with the 6 and seeing Ellen.

Kara finding her body did have me doubting myself...but...the last cylon wasn't supposed to be in the final supper pic.

I also started to have doubts tonight when Dee offed herself. What a waste.

104 posted on 01/16/2009 8:23:19 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: SunTzuWu
I agree. Lots of twists for 1 hour...

Three of the "final five" (not the Tighs) knew each other and lived in the same area.

I think the flashback comments by Ellen that "everything is set, we'll be reborn together" is going to be critical. It seems to indicate that the five were a small clique that managed to create (or obtain) the resurrection technology.
105 posted on 01/16/2009 8:24:58 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: NELSON111

You are the only one I ever heard saying it was Ellen. You ought to put it in your tagline!


106 posted on 01/16/2009 8:25:59 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: tanknetter

Well Tigh lived in the same general area, and we do not know that he didn’t know the others.


107 posted on 01/16/2009 8:27:24 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Or the human-humans and humanoid cylons of Kobol could have fought a war with the cylon-centurians. Then with a devastated Kobol, they split up, with the human cylons not welcome with the “pure” humans.

Fast forward a couple thousand years. The Kobol skin jobs created centurions, fought a war, and all died. The pure humans, being inferior, required 2000 extra years to create their own cylons - who created skin jobs. Then the pure human colonies fight a war with their centurians and lose.
So whenever you have “skin jobs”, they make centurians and eventually get killed by them.

Cavil - who is a machine and embraces such - might be the last remaining form of life. He could make more cylons, begin a download process, and keep up the machine race forever. Skin jobs who are confident in being machines are in charge, with mechanical centurions kept dumb. As long as none of the “dumb” ones get smart and rebel ...

Lesson learned - don’t create sentient machines.


108 posted on 01/16/2009 8:27:57 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: SunTzuWu
There is also the question of who resurrected Starbuck. If that was her Viper that was destroyed and there is no resurrection ship, how did she come back?

Hmmm. See my earlier comment about the Final Five having resurrection technology.

That technology would not be related to the hub that got nuked at the end of season 4.0, and could therefore still exist. Probably on or near "earth". Ellen Tigh could have been resurrected ... popped out back on "earth" knowing who/what she was, and could be the one now manipulating the situation.
109 posted on 01/16/2009 8:32:52 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tbw2

So the whole story is kind of an anti- Isaac Asimov?


110 posted on 01/16/2009 8:33:32 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Well...why I would like to think I was the only one brilliant enough...I wasn't. Matter of fact...I think most (probably 50-60%) of the posters over at the sci-fi forums also thought it was Ellen....even though they didn't want to admit it.

To be honest...it could only be 1 of three people without being obvious (which RDM wasn't going to do): 1) Ellen; 2) Dee; 3) Gaeta.

Right before Dee killed herself and they showed the pic of her in the locker...I thought it was her...since that was one of the clues on the sci-fi site. The final and most obvious clue was 22:59:44...which was when Saul revealed Ellen. So it is her....

111 posted on 01/16/2009 8:34:16 PM PST by NELSON111
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To: tanknetter

That would mean that the Ellen Tigh we knew was a total facade? Bad plot device.


112 posted on 01/16/2009 8:35:28 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: KevinDavis

I dunno. We know from Kara being a Cylon that it’s the Cylons’ earth. However it could also be the humans’ earth if you consider the Cylons were already amongst them when the planet was destroyed. Maybe it was a Terminator-style cyborg attack which sent humanity fleeing before earth’s destruction and ‘skin jobs’ fled along with them. The skin jobs waited 2000 years for humans to develop technology by which they could return to earth. The Cylons have always been predatory to humans in the series so they needed a reason to make humans flee the colonies and head back to earth to be able to return themselves.


113 posted on 01/16/2009 8:35:48 PM PST by Justa (The media lied while Americans died.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Or mimicking “Terminator”.


114 posted on 01/16/2009 8:37:24 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: tanknetter

Someone is definitely manipulating the situation. So many people are having visions that lead them to this point. Roslyn with her visions of Earth and the temple. Starbuck with her visions of the comet signpost that lead to Earth. Diana with her visions of the final five every time she died and was resurrected. The writers have a lot to wrap up but so far I like your explanation.


115 posted on 01/16/2009 8:39:58 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: tbw2
A lot of folks will be displeased if this is an extended Terminator! Me inclided.
116 posted on 01/16/2009 8:41:23 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (All of this has happened before and it will happen again!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That would mean that the Ellen Tigh we knew was a total facade? Bad plot device.

Not sure. We know that three of the Final Five got killed in the "earth" nuking. Tyrol was incinerated making a nice shadow on a wall. It looks like Ellen died from being crushed when a building fell on top of her, and Tigh when the side of the building blew in.

That means that those three (and, I'd posit, all five) were resurrected at least once already. Ellen died again on New Caprica ... but if she'd already been resurrected once, why wouldn't she be resurrected again? And if resurrected again, why wouldn't she be resurrected with full knowledge of her Cylon heritage, just as D'Anna was resurrected with her sight restored?
117 posted on 01/16/2009 8:42:24 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: NELSON111
The final and most obvious clue was 22:59:44...which was when Saul revealed Ellen.

I missed something. What was significant about 22:59:44?

118 posted on 01/16/2009 8:43:37 PM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: tanknetter

That’s quite a transmission range.
I wonder if the human skin jobs of Earth were “human” to themselves. They had kids, as evidenced by the jacks Dualla found.
Then the final five could be “biological cylon descended humans” of the cylons who fled Kobol.

Big leap of how they could be on Earth 2000 years later:
The human beings descended from Kobol cylons are human. They’re mortal. But like many, they don’t want to die. What if these final five created a hybrid type technology to download “human” conciousness into engineered biological bodies? This would be like the cylon mind download, but the “original” mind was from a body born as a baby. Now you have a human stepping into the cylon download immortality scenario.

This could explain why the final five are so much more human. Because, in their FIRST life on Earth, they WERE human.

All you need then is a body that doesn’t age or deteriorate, or a way to replace that body when it fails. The Colonial cylons picked the latter. What if the Earth humans-to-cylons picked the former? Download once to a body that won’t die unless an extreme event happens.

If all the other humans could have that kind of technology, you’d end death - except by murder and suicide. But it’s a kind of immortality.

Just never create the mechanicals who would hate you, and you have the best of both worlds. Human souls, immortality, option to make kids to fill up a new world ...


119 posted on 01/16/2009 8:44:26 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: KevinDavis

Some of those scenes on “Earth” remind me very much of Caprica - post attack, when Kara first went back to get the spear - did she really ever make it back?....


120 posted on 01/16/2009 8:44:27 PM PST by maclay (SEEKING: Global Warming Alarmist for Martian Terraform Press Secretary)
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