[Sacajaweau]

This whole thing amounts to the government telling you what to think and eliminating God from all criteria.

In school, we had a class on the Crusades. One of the best I ever attended.

Religion IS history. We never get beyond the pilgrims in grammar school.Teach Religion as part of Philosophy in Grammar schools.

Man has his own mind and he is entitled to his own beliefs.

Atheists? That's their problem and their mind. Believe what you want but I am entitled to the same.

[nmh]

Very good post.

It shows how easily lead and dumbed down people have become in allowing atheists, (evolutionists) to dominate their “thinking”. Any thinking person, KNOWS God is the Intelligent Designer. Life doesn’t just happen. The complexity of the human body alone should tell even the dumbest human being that God designed them - not “chance” over millions or is it now billions of years. The length of time being stretched still doesn’t make it so - life just happened.

[jalisco555]

I find the Argument from Authority one of the weakest arguments in this debate, especially when the authorities are mostly lawyers who had no knowledge of the enormous advances in science that have taken place since they wrote.

[Soliton]

Before Darwin there was phiosophical speculation on the origins of life. After Darwin there was phiosophical speculation on the origins of life.. The difference is that after Darwin it has become settled science that new species evolve from existing ones. Darwin didn’t address the origins of life. He described a mechanism to explain the origin of new species.

This whole article is based on multiple false premises.

[freespirited]

John Quincy Adams
It is so obvious to every reasonable being, that he did not make himself; and the world which he inhabits could as little make itself that the moment we begin to exercise the power of reflection, it seems impossible to escape the conviction that there is a Creator

Benjamin Franklin
It might be judged an affront to your understandings should I go about to prove this first principle: the existence of a Deity and that He is the Creator of the universe;

More evidence that no one remembers anything taught in high school biology class. Evolution is not about how the universe was created.

[GulfBreeze]

ping for later

[M. Dodge Thomas]

Makes about as much sense as claiming that the Founding Fathers understood chemistry because they were well versed in Phlogiston theory.

[Coyoteman]

Selections from Wiki:

Barton received a Bachelor of Arts degree in religious education from Oral Roberts University in 1976 and an honorary Doctor of Letters from Pensacola Christian College, but has no academic qualifications in history.

Barton serves on the Board of Advisors of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools, publisher of a controversial Bible curriculum for use in public schools.

In an article titled Unconfirmed Quotations, Barton admitted he has not located primary sources for a few of the alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions, but maintains that this is not important to his central thesis because they are consistent with the views of the Founders.

In other words, fake but accurate!

Sounds like another quote-mining fundamentalist who believes the methods of apologetics can be applied to other, legitimate, fields of study.

[VOA]

While I think Barton has done something positive by stimulating some
discussion of “what did the Founders really think and/or intend?”,
I think his work should be taken with a “trust, but verify” when he
puts forth quotations.
Barton should learn that when making incorrect attributions,
it’s like “ringing a bell that can’t be unrung”.

For more on that:
“Unconfirmed Quotations” on Barton’s WallBuilders website
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=126

Background on “Unconfirmed Quotations”
http://www.wallbuilders.com/LIBissuesArticles.asp?id=126#background

I do give Barton credit for posting the article and including annotations
after either finding the quote or learning that the quote is actually
in a different source.
He should also thank the critics for reducing the chance of future
embarassment.
As they say in the publishing world, the person who finds the errors
in your publication (preferably BEFORE going to press) is your friend,
no matter how biting in their review and fact-checking.

[Cpl. Dwayne Hicks]

Lots of stuff to read through. Thanks for the post.

[Steve Van Doorn]

thank you bookmarked

[Varda]

Ping to finish reading later. However I would hesitate to put Descartes in the Intelligent Design camp and am certain Mendel doesn’t belong there.