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To: agrace

Then you and I differ immensely.

If you can’t distinguish the message from the messenger, if facts do not stand alone from their delivery mechanism, you close your mind to anything outside your comfort zone and facts become just a belief to you, then that’s called situational relativism and is no way to discover truth of a fact or not.

If the messenger makes you ignore any further information proving the facts, then you are no better than a willing follower for anyone who can convince you by words and not by facts.

You don’t know what this man credentials are or what his research affiliations are; but you are willing to accept blindly someone’s assertions that he’s a Scientologist and dismiss everything he says or writes accordingly.

And no, FWIW, he is not a Scientologist but he has been affiliated with CCHR, http://www.cchr.org/index.cfm/5258, an organization started by Scientology but joined by many non-Scientology types.

What does that association mean ? That they, Baughman and Scientology, share a desire to propagate these truths, and no more.

Why should that invalidate anything he says ?

From the CCHR website:
Mental health can be created, but only through:

* Effective mental healing delivered in a calm atmosphere characterized by tolerance, safety, security and respect for people’s rights

* By restoring individuals to personal strength, ability, competence, confidence, stability, responsibility and spiritual well-being

* Using highly trained, ethical practitioners who are committed primarily to their patient’s and patient family’s well being

This description bears no resemblance to mental treatment under psychiatry today. Psychiatry does not produce mental health, but rather mental ill health and millions of ruined lives.

At CCHR we work to help bring about an environment for mental healing that is based upon human dignity and decency. As a result of our work, millions have avoided the ravages of psychiatric treatment.

Gak, those are really scary beliefs, aren’t they ?

Baughman’s work has been picked up by many other oranizations, as reported here:
http://christianmind.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html
Oh gosh, they are Christians! Does that mean he has no credibility to a Jew ?


34 posted on 08/06/2007 9:49:17 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
One more time, then I'm done.

You don’t know what this man credentials are or what his research affiliations are; but you are willing to accept blindly someone’s assertions that he’s a Scientologist and dismiss everything he says or writes accordingly.

If.

I. said. if.

I don't know if the man has affiliations with scientology. I don't care. I have not dismissed ANYTHING he has said. He might very well do amazing, necessary and productive work.

You are reading much, much more into my posts than is actually there.

I simply said that IF the man has connections to scientology, then his credibility is diminished no matter WHO he is.

I am making a general statement about scientology, not about anything else BUT scientology. Not neurology, not psychiatry, nor the disputes or agreements between the two. I am making a general statement about SCIENTOLOGY and its utter and complete lack of merit. Nothing else.

44 posted on 08/06/2007 10:15:52 AM PDT by agrace
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