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To: MacDorcha

"So you're saying physics and math did NOT apply before we discovered them. That before Newton had that moment of realization, that gravity was simply a matter of the mind? It's a Logarithm"

You don't read well do you? I've never said anything approaching what you just said. I simply pointed out the fact that we do not know what the RATE OF NUCLEAR DECAY WAS at any point before it was observed. If I drive from home to work at 70 MPH and then you observe me in the parking lot going 15 MPH, you cannot say what my speed was prior to observation.

Physics and math have not been dimissed at all -- only the values so-called scientists uses for their calculations -- not the calculations themselves. Please pay attention.

"You feel that "inspired" is as good as "infallible.""

The Bible *IS* infallible in the original texts, yes. Moses or Paul or any of the other authors did not write a word that God did not want included. God is the ultimate Author of Scripture.

"Tell that to the people who put together the Canon Bible. They selected from hundreds of different texts to put it together, that's what the Dead Sea Scrolls are!"

What???? The Dead Sea Scrolls are copies of texts that validated the Bible. There were other books and works in there, but those were rejected due to the strict tests placed upon each work. The 66 books we have are God's Holy Word.

"I simply happen to feel God may have dumbed it down (or someone did) for us mortals."

Then you are at odds with God's Word.

I failed to correct you on this point before, but God CANNOT lie. Lying is sin and God cannot sin.

Psalm 119:60 "The entirety of Your word is truth" ENTIRETY. ALL OF IT. If God "dumbed down" His creation as you say, then He is lying and His word is not truth. Sorry, but the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is not that weak. You're imposing human characteristics and flaws onto God.

"However, Humanity CANNOT reproduce without both men and women. "

Finally, you get something right.

"Where is Cain's sister(s)?"

The children of Adam and Eve intermarried -- brothers and sisters. Cain took his wife and family with him into the wilderness (pretty obvious). The story of Cain and Abel is inserted before the genealogies are explained. This does not in anyway mean it happened before the rest of the family was born.

There was no prohibition against incest for many generations.

"Why are we finding so many people (corpses) from this time, if only a few near perfect humans walked the Earth then?"

They all descended from Adam and Eve. Who said it was a few anyway? They were fruitful and multiplied.

"Why did a new species of grass come into existance from an unknown source around the same time the agricultural revolution began? It testafies grain was BEFORE 8000 B.C."

#1, I'd have to see your source, but #2, dating methods have been proven flawed.

"According to it, we are 5764 years into existance. You can be quoted as saying "between 5 and 10 thousand" Which is it?"

In case you didn't notice, 5764 *IS* between 5 and 10 thousand.


59 posted on 09/09/2004 9:05:02 PM PDT by HawkeyeLonewolf (Christian First, American Second (Conservative Anti-Smoker))
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

"The Bible *IS* infallible in the original texts, yes."

By all means, read ancient greek to me. Im axious to hear it.

"What???? The Dead Sea Scrolls are copies of texts that validated the Bible. There were other books and works in there, but those were rejected due to the strict tests placed upon each work. The 66 books we have are God's Holy Word."

Someone hasn't read the Book of Thomas. (or any of the other finds for that matter)

In one of the Scrolls, it is said Jesus told Matthew that we only go to Hell for a short period of time, and that it is not a permamnet place for sinners. That sound like the Jesus you know?

"Then you are at odds with God's Word. "

No, I am at odds with Man's Word on God's Word.

"I failed to correct you on this point before, but God CANNOT lie. Lying is sin and God cannot sin. "

Seeing as "sin" means "to take from the Lord" I must assume you understand that no matter what God does, He is not "sinning" as He would then be leaving Himself. Even then though, the Ten Commandments do not say "thou shall not lie," they simply state that one should not bear false testamony against your neighbor. In other words, play fair.

As for the idea of a variable rate of decay... what are you smoking and why aren't you sharing? Matter breaks down in a logical pattern (earmark of Intellegent Design). If it didn't, it would all be arbitrary.

"Psalm 119:60 "The entirety of Your word is truth" ENTIRETY. ALL OF IT. If God "dumbed down" His creation as you say, then He is lying and His word is not truth. Sorry, but the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is not that weak. You're imposing human characteristics and flaws onto God."

Since when did i assert it was a flaw to explain to people (who are stupid) how things exist in a way they could come to terms with? Since when is an abridged version of a story a lie? You assert "ALL OF IT" yet you neglect that again, it was Man who wrote it down. Men who were in power.

Learn to love God on a one-on-one basis. Not in the shadow of some 1700 year old corporation.


60 posted on 09/10/2004 12:55:07 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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To: HawkeyeLonewolf

In case you didn't notice, 5764 *IS* between 5 and 10 thousand.

Then SAY 5764, not "around here"


61 posted on 09/10/2004 12:55:49 AM PDT by MacDorcha
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