[Roman_War_Criminal]

Denial is not a river in Egypt Grumpa.

Here are your verses in both Testaments.
Ignore them at your peril:

Matthew 24:15
Mark 13:14
Daniel 9:27
Daniel 11:31
Daniel 12:11

Question for you Preterists who swear this already happened:

WHO....WHO abolished sacrifices in the Temple and set up “his MARK” for Chinese, Mayans, and Pacific Islanders to take in 70 AD in order to fulfill Revelation 13:16 so that “ALL” will take his Mark?

All means all.

Let’s not play word games. You can’t answer and I won’t expect a response.

[Tell It Right]

I reject the premise that one must choose either preterist or futurist or, for that matter, historicism. When I read through the eschatological books there are times it seems to begin preterist, then events happen over a long time until later events become futrist.

Not saying it IS that way. Just saying that eschatology is one thing I’m uncomfortable drawing a line in the sand on and saying it as a matter of fact.

[odawg]

Why is it that all means all and shortly does not mean shortly in Rev 1:1?

[G Larry]

First, I must congratulate you on acknowledging that "the continual burnt offering" cited in Daniel is in fact the Consecrated Host in the Tabernacle. (i.e. The Body and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ)

Second, to assert that the "Abomination of desolation" is going to be a red heifer, seems a bit trivial.

[ealgeone]

RWC: >>WHO....WHO abolished sacrifices in the Temple and set up “his MARK” for Chinese, Mayans, and Pacific Islanders to take in 70 AD in order to fulfill Revelation 13:16 so that “ALL” will take his Mark?<<

Well, Chuck....should be pretty simple question to answer now shouldn't it?

Surely, you have it somewhere in that vast blog of yours you want everyone to click.

Face it, Chuck....you're a fraud...a false prophet...a charlatan.

The very thing you accuse others of....you are.

[Cronos]

MAtthew 24:15

15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!

ote that the Sanhedrin believed that this had been fulfilled in 167 BC, but that did not meet Daniel's prophecy of 3.5 years

Jesus then mentions in 24:21 the Great Tribulation - which is for the Jesus-movement Jews.

There has never been, nor will there ever be anything rivaling it. The Church was close to being smothered in its cradle if Nero continued and the Jerusalem Christians had not escaped to Pella - this was a tiny community, primarily Jewish and was attacked by both the Roman authorities AND the Jewish authorities. That WAS the great tribulation

THEN, in Matt 24:29 And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be moved - This is apocalyptic language exactly referring to Isaiah 13:10-13 The stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising and the moon will not shed its light... I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place" - Jesus is foretelling the overthrow of nero and the Sanhedrin. He draws a parallel between the shaking of Babylon and the shaking of Jerusalem (and that's the basis of John's vision in the book of revelations)

This is also reflected in Haggai 2:6-7 Thus says that Lord of hosts: Once again, in a little while, I will shake the heavens and the earth and the sea and the dry land; and I will shake all nations, so that the treasures of all nations shall come in, and I will fill this house with splendor, says the Lord of hosts

This splendor is Christ and the house is the Church

The Christ-followers listened and fled to the hills and none were killed in the siege of Jerusalem

[Cronos]

Daniel 9:27 was fulfilled with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD

27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.

-- sacrifices and offerings at the temple have ended.

Ditto for Daniel 11:31 31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. -- the temple was destroyed

and Daniel 12:11 11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. -- that was the duration of the Jerusalem siege from 67 to 70 AD

[Cronos]

The "whole world" referred to in the New Testament is always the whole civilized Roman empire --

• Sign 7 - the gospel worldwide. What did Paul say in Rom 1:8? First, I give thanks[f] to my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is heralded throughout the world and in Col 1:5-6 First, I give thanks[f] to my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is heralded throughout the world in Paul's mind there was no doubt that the gospel had gone out into the whole world Clement wrote in 73 AD that Peter and Paul had been martyred, but not before they "taught righteousness to the whole world, and they came to the extreme limit of the west" -- the word used for "world" is oikoumene - which specifically means the civilized world i.e. the Roman Empire - the Olivet discourse does not use the world "Kosmos" that designates the entire earth.
  
  Kosmos in Matt 24:21 From the beginning of the world (kosmos) until now"
  Matthew 24:14

  This gospel of the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come

  Yet, Paul states that in his lifetime, the Faith of those in the Church in Rome First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. - Romans 1:8

  And in Colossians 1:5-6 Paul wrote

  5 the faith and love that spring from the hope stored up for you in heaven and about which you have already heard in the true message of the gospel 6 that has come to you. In the same way, the gospel is bearing fruit and growing throughout the whole world—just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and truly understood God’s grace.

  There was no doubt in Paul's mind that the gospel had gone out into the whole world

  This is also what the early Christians wrote about:

  • Clement of Rome in 95 AD wrote that Peter and Paul had been martyred but not before they"taught righteousness to the WHOLE world, and they came to the extreme limit of the west"

    Since both Peter and Paul were martyred before the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD, well
    
    

  • Justin Martyr in 120 AD wrote that from Jerusalem there went out into the world, men, twelve in number, and these illiterate, of no ability in speaking: but by the power of God they proclaimed to every race of men that they were sent by Christ to teach to all the world the word of God
    
    
  • Eusebius even connected this to Jerusalem's destruction writing that the teaching of the new covenant was borne to all the nations and then the Romans besieged Jerusalem and destroyed it and the Temple

  the word used for "world" is oikoumene - which specifically means the civilized world i.e. the Roman Empire - the Olivet discourse does not use the world "Kosmos" that designates the entire earth.
  
  Kosmos in Matt 24:21 From the beginning of the world (kosmos) until now"