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To: ought-six

Try to make your replies more concise. One of the benefits of this is it facilitates a better understanding of what you’re trying to say. I think you don’t see the incoherence in you final six or seven paragraphs.

Meanwhile, these simple and concise statements will help clarify the discussion:

God did not create imperfection. He created beings with free will. That they have the power of choice is a more perfect creation than if they didn’t have it.

Their choice to do evil is intrinsic to them, not to God. This is not difficult to understand. If it’s not intrinsic to them, then it’s not free will.

God’s victory over evil is global and eternal. Failures due to sin are local and temporal. The global nature of his victory includes total compensation for any imperfection in the temporary state of fallenness.

To do evil is to need punishment. This is not sadism. It’s justice. Remember, the evil is intrinsic to the one who chooses it. Failure to punish evil is imperfect justice.


47 posted on 01/14/2024 2:03:51 PM PST by reasonisfaith (What are the personal implications if the Resurrection of Christ is a true event in history?)
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To: reasonisfaith

“God did not create imperfection. He created beings with free will. That they have the power of choice is a more perfect creation than if they didn’t have it.”

Nice try.

If God created Man, he created imperfection.

You have said Man is imperfect. God created Man in his own image. Therefore, God must be imperfect.

Elementary logic.

“Their choice to do evil is intrinsic to them, not to God. If it’s not intrinsic to them, then it’s not free will.”

You contradict yourself. If God created Man in his own image, than God must have evil, just as Man does. Just as with free will: God has free will and gave Man free will (i.e., God gave Man what God has, as Man was made in his image).

So, if evil is intrinsic to Man, it must necessarily also be intrinsic to God.

Evil is a religious concept that led to the concept of morality. Human societies embrace that morality as it is determined by the respective religions; and that morality gives rise to laws, both religious and secular; and thus judgment. What one considers moral in one religion, or one society, may be seen as immoral in another religion and another society.

That is why any specific religion must be kept from holding any secular power. Because SERIOUS evil can result.

So, you see, the concept of God as perfect is a contradiction if God created Man in his own image.


48 posted on 01/14/2024 5:41:02 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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