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Rejecting Every Premise Of The New York Times 1619 Project
The Revolutionary Act ^ | 08/22/19

Posted on 08/22/2019 8:29:13 AM PDT by Liberty7732

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1 posted on 08/22/2019 8:29:13 AM PDT by Liberty7732
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To: Liberty7732

The key to freedom is eternal vigilance. That’s in response to this crap.


2 posted on 08/22/2019 8:37:21 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
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To: Liberty7732
The reality/history of slaves and racism in America versus the liberal bs, 24/7!:


3 posted on 08/22/2019 8:38:32 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: Liberty7732

Bump for later.


4 posted on 08/22/2019 8:47:26 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Liberty7732
How about a Project 1932? This would highlight all of the dishonesty (most of it done in an absolutely shameless manner) that the New York Times (along with other establishment press organs) engaged in for so many years, including of course Uncle Walter's contributions. BTW, 1932 was the year he received his dubiously earned Pulitzer Prize.
5 posted on 08/22/2019 8:49:42 AM PDT by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: Liberty7732

The New York Times has been in the rewriting American history act for years they can’t handle the truth it’s why they never report it.


6 posted on 08/22/2019 8:52:39 AM PDT by Vaduz (women and children to be impacIQ of chimpsted the most.)
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To: Liberty7732

NY Times argues that everything in America benefited from slaves. So that means that all companies in American benefited from slaves. So companies which advertise in the NY Times benefited from slaves. So why would I want to buy a product which is from a company that benefited from slaves? Which leads to why as a company would I want to advertise with the NY Times?


7 posted on 08/22/2019 8:58:25 AM PDT by Lockbox
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To: Liberty7732

One of the most popular jokes among Soviet citizens was: “The future is known. It’s the past that keeps changing.”


8 posted on 08/22/2019 8:58:50 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie (Ca)
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Two comments about this article:

1) This is a great article, because it straightens out a lot of the historical lies and selectivity practiced by the Left, in its attempt to destroy this country.

2) The article, inadvertently, plays into the hands of the Left by responding to what the 1619 Project states. IOW, it let’s them decide the arena in which we’re arguing, and decide what the terms are that everyone can use.

The simple fact is that slavery has been over with for more than 150 years. No one alive today (with perhaps a couple dozen exceptions) even had a grandparent who was a slave (and that as an infant, when they wouldn’t have even been aware of it). No one alive today even came close to experiencing slavery legally in this country...and, conversely, no one alive today even came close to enslaving another person legally in this country. We hear ALL THE TIME about how the Dreamers and other children who crossed the border cannot be held responsible for the wrongdoing of their parents - but, somehow, everyone alive today can be held responsible for events that occurred decades or more before our grandparents were born? What complete hypocrisy!

There is no nation that has ever existed which has been perfect, nor will there ever be one. That is undeniable by anyone. But that is not really the question that should be addressed. The question to focus on is this: What can we do to CONTINUE to improve our nation in terms of ending discrimination based upon utterly irrelevant characteristics like one’s race, religion, gender, etc.? Because, and this MUST be pointed out by us REPEATEDLY, this country has probably done more over the course of its existence to eliminate suffering and injustice than any other single nation. No, we’re not perfect - but that is an unattainable thing. What we are is the least imperfect of all of the nations on this planet. People flock here by the millions - would they (and especially those from what are minority groups here) come if we were actively practicing slavery, or if we had Jim Crow laws on the books and being enforced?

This country, the one our ancestors (literal or, in my case, ideological) created starting in 1776, has done more good than any other in the time since than any other nation, precisely BECAUSE we broke away from the English system and English rule. We created a NEW nation, unfettered by the attitudes of the Old World, so it is a complete fallacy (and a purposeful one, at that) to ascribe pre-1776 mistakes to the nation born in that year. Yes, we made mistakes along the way, sometimes bad mistakes - but we’ve addressed them all and learned the lessons so that we (hopefully) won’t repeat them. Other nations have followed our lead in many regards, to our credit.

The 1619 Project, like virtually everything else that the Left does, aims at changing the terms of the debate. If we buy into that, then we’ve lost before we even begin. They want to discredit every single thing that we’ve done for the past 243 years, by concentrating on what was done before we had control over our own destiny, and then blame people who weren’t alive then (or, in many cases including mine, people whose ancestors weren’t even here then) for all of the problems and injustices of the past (and, of course, judge them and us by today’s standards and not those of the time). We simply cannot allow them to get away with that kind of manipulative behavior. All that they do is to tear down - nothing they suggest even hints at creating improvements, for the simple reason that they are ONLY interested in controlling this nation by demoralizing its people to the point where we have nothing left for which to fight.


9 posted on 08/22/2019 9:04:06 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Liberty7732
Perhaps we might consult the words of Ohio State Senator and A.M.E. Bishop Benjamin W. Arnett, outstanding scholar, Legislator, and Minister, who lived through the period of the Civil War and delivered a most outstanding Centennial Sermon, at St. Paul Church in Norwalk, Ohio, by invitation, in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, in which he traced the history of nations and that of America, from it's inception and up to the Year of the Centennial of its Declaration.
 photo Benjamin W. Arnett2 image.jpg

In that Sermon, Dr. Arnett issued a grave warning of what might happen to America if a group, including academics who then self-described as "Liberals," had its way. Excerpts follow:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

In another section of the lengthy discourse, Bishop Arnett addressed the topic of "The Greatness of America," as follows:
"Let us see what it is that makes us so great; wherein lies our strength. What has made us one of the greatest powers of the earth, politically and intellectually? Have we come to the conclusion that it is Righteousness that exalteth a nation? We have met to-day at the request of the President of the United States, Ulysses S. Grant, and also the Governor of our beloved State, Rutherford B. Hayes. For what? Why call us from our homes? Why come to the house of God? Why not go to the hall of mirth and to the places of amusement to-day? No that is not what they want us to do. We are commanded to go to our 'several places of worship, and there offer up thanks to Kind Providence which has brought our nation through the scenes of another year, and blessed the land with peace, plenty and prosperity.' Then as Americans we have reason to rejoice and congratulate ourselves on the greatness of our beloved country; at this the close of the first hundred years of experimental government of the people, by the people, and for the people. To be a citizen of this vast country is something, and to share in its privileges and duties is more than something." - Dr. Benjamin W. Arnett, 1876 "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon" -

CENTENNIAL Thanksgiving Sermon, DELIVERED BY REV. B. W. ARNETT, B. D., AT ST. PAUL A. M. E. CHURCH, URBANA, OHIO 1876 - available in the "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" - "African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Washington, DC.

This historical treasure is one which should be prominent in our national discussions, especially now, when our philosophical foundations are being challenged, and when the views of a learned man like Dr. Arnett might shed light on centuries-old ideas about America's history. His theme: Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to any People."

"Withdraw from Christendom the Bible, the Church with its sacraments and ministry, and Christian morality and hopes, and aspirations for time and eternity; repeal all the laws that are founded in the Christian Scriptures; remove the Christian humanities in the form of hospitals and asylums, and reformatories and institutions of mercy utterly unknown to unchristian countries; destroy the literature, the culture, the institutions of learning, the art, the refinement, the place of woman in her home and in society, which owe their origin and power to Christianity; blot out all faith in Divine Providence, love, and righteousness; turn back every believer in Christ to his former state; remove all thought or hope of the forgiveness of sins by a just but gracious God; erase the name of Christ from every register it sanctifies—in a word annihilate all the legitimate and logical effects of Christianity in Christendom—just accomplish in fact what multitudes of gifted and learned minds are wishing and trying to accomplish by their science, philosophy, and criticism, and what multitudes of the common people desire and seek, and not only would all progress toward and unto perfection cease, but not one of the shining lights of infidelity would shine much longer. Yes, the bitterest enemies of this holy and blessed religion, owe their ability to be enemies to its sacred revelations - to the inspiration and sublimity of that faith which reflects its glories on their hostile natures. They live in the strength of that which they would destroy. They are raised to their seats of opportunity and power by the grace of Him they would crucify afresh; and is it to be thought that they are stronger than that which gives them strength? Can it be supposed that a religion which civilizes and subdues, and elevates and blesses will succumb to the enmities it may arouse and quicken in its onward march? Are we to tremble for the ark of God when God is its upholder, and protector, and preserver?” - Dr. Benjaming W. Arnett, St. Paul A.M.E. Church, Urbana, Ohio, Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon, November 1876
Dr. Arnett, an A.M.E. Minister and Ohio State Legislator, was invited to publish this remarkable sermon commemorating the Centennial of the Declaration of Independence by the following method:

To:

Rev. B. W. ARNETT, B. D.

Dear Pastor:

Will you please prepare your “Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon” for publication: together with whatever matter pertaining to the colored people of this city, you deem worth preserving.

We make this request of you, believing that the publication of such matter, will be of benefit to the present and succeeding generations.

Yours Respectfully,

J GAITER
J. DEMPCY
C. L, GANT
Trustees W. A. STILGASS, W. O. BOWLES

Urbana, O.

December 7th, 1876

J GAITER, J. DEMPCY, C. L, GANT

Trustees W. A. STILGASS, W. O. BOWLES


10 posted on 08/22/2019 9:09:37 AM PDT by loveliberty2 (`)
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To: Liberty7732
Doing so requires us to place the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are as a country.”

Excuse me, but who is denying those consequences and contributions? And at the time in question we were a series of British colonies, not a nation. Get a life, NY Times!

11 posted on 08/22/2019 9:13:58 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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“Picking 1619 is the worst of “journalistic” cherry-picking. “

It is very easy to make a true sound bite into proof of a lie. The more sound bites taken out of context the harder to prove why the whole thing is wrong.


12 posted on 08/22/2019 9:42:06 AM PDT by fproy2222 (MAGA; The United States of American is still the best place to live and it can become a better.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Fortunately nobody even reads that birdcage liner anymore


13 posted on 08/22/2019 9:47:00 AM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: Liberty7732

Are we supposed to believe that the blacks in Africa sold their best and brightest to the Arab slave traders?


14 posted on 08/22/2019 10:03:05 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Liberty7732
Excellent article. Here's another thread on the topic by a different author, a black "unhyphenated American", Lloyd Marcus:

We Must Say No to the 1619 Project in Schools

15 posted on 08/22/2019 10:15:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it. --Douglas MacArthur)
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A few months ago, I started posting this little historical exercise about Slavery in pre America:

Slavery was, not yet a reality, even in any British Royal American Colonies by 1619.

1619: The year, the first Endentured Africans, not slaves, were brought to Jamestown, is drilled into students’ memories, but overemphasizing this date distorts history!

Jamestown was not American nor even a British Colony at that time, 1619.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/#rw41X6dSPyUlLd4m.99

https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery

Before going to the link above, everyone, ask yourself a simple question:

In what year did the former British/American Colonies, become America/the USA and recognized by the world powers as America.

Hint, It was not in 1619.

1783! America’s independence was recognized by Britain in 1783.

The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, 80 years after we became a recognized country.

This year,2019, will make freedom from Slavery/1863, for 156 years in America, the USA. Thanks to the The Emancipation Proclamation being declared in 1863.

The US had legal slavery for 80 years! Liberal liars scream “400 years” of slavery, and it is a complete lie.

At this point, blacks in today’s America, have been free for much longer than their ancestors were slaves! (nearly twice as long).

*How many union soldiers died to free the Slaves: - Quora:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-union-soldiers-died

*Approximately 110,000 Union Soldiers died due to battle-related causes during the Civil War. Around 250,000 died of disease. Yes, you were more likely to die of illness later than on the battlefield. The deadliest battle for both sides was the infamous Battle of Gettysburg, totaling more than 50,000 casualties.

At least 360,000 Union soldiers died from battle causes or illnesses linked to their service in the Civil War. More suffered from physical and mental wounds for most of their lives post Civil War.

Women born just before, during and after the Civil War in the battleground states often died in their 20’s to 30’s. My Dad’s mother and one of her sisters died in their late 20’s. Women in their families before and after the civil war lived into their late 70’s to 80’s.


16 posted on 08/22/2019 10:22:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Here's the Formula: Hatred + Government + Disarmed Civilians = Genocide !)
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To: Ancesthntr

Very good post.


17 posted on 08/22/2019 10:43:49 AM PDT by Concentrate (ex-texan was right and Always Right was wrong, which is why we lost the election. Podesta the molest)
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To: Lockbox
Slavery in the United States of America ran 87 years from 1776-1863. Or in President Lincoln’s famous Gettysburg Address, “Four score and seven years ago…” Just a fact, something journalists used to care about.

Because the South had cheap slave labor they didn't industrialize. It was cheaper for Southerners to use slaves then to innovate, build factories, and set up trade routes.

That gave the North a war advantage over the South. Slavery caused the South to accept being a second rate region, kept wages down and allowed wealth for a small number of elites without bringing along most citizens.

Southerns thought their ability to direct and force the movements of slaves was the same as large scale real power. Instead slavery was the power of an abusive husband - power that doesn't translate into anything beyond the home - or plantation...

This collective shared illusion was another reason the South lost.... the power of phony 'elites' is always based on illusion. The South went to war thinking their silly sense of superiority would translate out to wins on the battlefield... they were wrong.

Slaves assisted with giving their phony elites a false sense of superiority... much like poor blacks and illegals make our phony elites think they're superior...

Baquet hates our country... tearing down history is like tearing down statues... done by bullies who fear reality.The New York Times can do better. So not only did most people NOT benefit from slaves - even the slave owners didn't 'benefit' - 0 in the long run... Slavery - cheap labor - was their undoing.

18 posted on 08/22/2019 10:45:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Epstein provided white liberal 'elites' with children to rape.The white liberal press ignores that.)
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To: Concentrate

Thanks.


19 posted on 08/22/2019 11:02:21 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt, The Weapons Shops of Isher)
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To: Ancesthntr

great post

Thanks

BTW-Has anyone ever done a research into the articles and editorial of the NYT for their racist past that they are so critical of others?

I am truly sick of all of this ‘Holier than Thou’ bloviating by the left.


20 posted on 08/22/2019 1:19:59 PM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country! Now)
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