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And to my understanding Roberts dictating the law was constitutional on the basis of it being a tax. Yet the bill originated in the Senate which is not within the Constitution. Taxation originates within the house. I know there are lawsuits that went down that route but of course they were thrown out. Why?


11 posted on 12/15/2018 10:16:39 AM PST by DAC21
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[[And to my understanding Roberts dictating the law was constitutional on the basis of it being a tax.]]

Which i can’t for the life of me understand- Government can NOT compel anyone to purchase anything- ever- Regardless of whether it’s a tax or not. It can’t say ‘purchase this product against your will, pay this tax, or you will be punished’- A person is free to roam these states living entirely off the land, never paying anyone anything if they so choose- and government was not free to punish the person for doing so (as long as the person obeyed laws)- then along came the abomination obamacare- mandating that everyone must have health insurance, or else, turning people into criminals, tax scofflaws, who could be fined, if they didn’t purchase healthcare

So yes, they did away with the penalty- which means the mandated tax is no longer a government mandated tax- but rather just a optional tax now- like any other optional tax- like car insurance, IF i wish to drive, I must purchase insurance, BUT I am under no obligation to do so, I could choose to never drive- it’s my choice- or paying actual taxes, like on clothing- I could choose to make my own clothing out of free bark or grass if i wish to, I’m not forced to purchase clothing from stores-

Roberts declared the government had the right force people to purchase something AGAINST THEIR WILL because it supposedly’ involved a tax with punishments inplace for those who didn’t comply with purchase requirement’? When has our government ever been given the right to force people to purchase anything they don’t wish to purchase? IF they have that right, where does it stop? “People must now purchase chewing gum on a daily basis by order of the government”? “People must now purchase sushi every day even if they are allergic to fish, by order of the government”?

Government doesn’t have the right to impose mandatory taxes that people must pay against their will by purchasing something they don’t want. They do have a right to impose a tax on purchases for things people choose- but they can’t compel the person, via threat of penalty, to buy something they don’t want and choose not to participate in (ie healthcare, paying taxes on clothing, buying devices that have taxes on them etc)-


17 posted on 12/15/2018 10:40:36 AM PST by Bob434
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To: DAC21
And to my understanding Roberts dictating the law was constitutional on the basis of it being a tax. Yet the bill originated in the Senate which is not within the Constitution. Taxation originates within the house. I know there are lawsuits that went down that route but of course they were thrown out. Why?

The senate does this regularly. They take an unrelated bill from the House, "amend" it by deleting most or all of the text and insert the language of the tax and spend bill they want to pass. SCOTUS has not seen fit to rule against this.

Origination clause: "All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills."

19 posted on 12/15/2018 1:27:07 PM PST by Sparticus (Primary the Tuesday group!)
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Taxation originates within the house. I know there are lawsuits that went down that route but of course they were thrown out. Why?

Same reason we have not had a budget for 10 years, even though the Constitution requires the Congress pass one every two years!

The Media and Progressives (same thing) do not believe in the Constitution. They would not be able to get away with these egregious violations of the Constitution, if the Mass Media held them accountable.

Suppose the New York Times ran editorials every day, about how the bedrock of the U.S.A. was in danger because the Congress ignored their Constitutionally required duties. How long would this last? about a week, max.

Here is an article I wrote explaining why Progressives detest the Constitution. It is about the Second Amendment, but it applies to everything else.

Some say it is the best I have written.

20 posted on 12/15/2018 7:51:45 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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I was mistaken. There is no requirement for a budget, as such, in the Constitution.


21 posted on 12/15/2018 7:56:44 PM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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