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To: Bull Snipe
Fine... whatever. I had a direct decedent fight with George Washington (I am a member of SAR). I also had another ancestor fight in the Union army: I thank God that that ancestor wasn't with Grant, the butcher. You can overlook quite a lot... but to let wounded men lay on the battlefield for four days because you had too much pride to admit defeat shows a complete disregard for his troops and human life in general.

These are not things that simply come with winning a war. He was a butcher.

265 posted on 06/22/2018 3:48:00 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: Lagmeister

There is no second place in a war. Ask those in the Confederacy when they lost. Ask the Germans when they lost, Ask the Japanese when they lost. The butchers bill is sometimes high. But the bill has to be paid to win. In this case winning is the only thing.


283 posted on 06/22/2018 4:21:48 PM PDT by Bull Snipe
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To: Lagmeister; Bull Snipe
Lagmeister: "These are not things that simply come with winning a war.
He was a butcher."

The actual record shows that "brilliant" Lee lost more men in battle than "butcher" Grant, especially when Lee was on offense.
Yes, the nature of 19th century warfare dictated entrenched defense had a huge advantage over mobile units on offense, and Lee took advantage of that by war's end.
But in the beginning, when Lee was on offense at, say, Antietam or Gettysburg, his losses in losing those battles were greater than Grant's in winning his.

During the war, Lee had three commands -- first in West Virginia, then North Carolina and finally Virginia.
In all three Lee failed.

Grant also had three commands -- first at Forts Henry & Donelson, then Vicksburg and finally Virginia.
In all three Grant won "unconditional surrender" from his opponents.

Grant's performance made him hugely popular with Union voters who elected him President, twice, at their first opportunity.
So "Grant the butcher" is propaganda which people of his time knew to be untrue and people today can soon learn with a little effort.

418 posted on 06/24/2018 6:37:23 AM PDT by BroJoeK ((a little historical perspective...))
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