Posted on 03/11/2018 4:30:21 PM PDT by EyesOfTX
“I get the obvious, the art playing going on, by Trump. It’s just not remotely related to Justice Department.”
Why do you say that? I think everything about the DOJ screams “things are not what they seem”.
If you watch law and order mysteries, the prosecution vs the defense cat and mouse game is anything but straight forward. One side never wants to show the other side what they have. Details of the case are kept under wraps. Witnesses are put in safe houses, etc..
Public statements are masterfully engineered and timed for maximum effect.
> Source?
Well certainly, Trump’s public statements, as reported by the MSM do not support my assertion. And typical web searches are only going to give me MSM results. So, unless I can recall where I saw it, you best consider the statement that Trump knew of Sessions recusal in advance of his appointment as either wrong, or at least unverified. If I come across it again, I will post it to you.
Thanks.
I wish I had an answer for you.
OK. Here's your resources: Everyone working in your department, and all related departments and agencies is crooked and wants you dead.
I think that there are various levels of 'thought' on the Sessions issue.
The Haters are probably trolls.
Next is the impatient group, who demand he DO SOMEHTING NOW or GET OUT.
Most posters seem to be in the middle zone, the WHEN WILL HE DO SOMETHING zone.
Then there are those who are convinced that HE WILL DO SOMETHING, just not this instant.
Each have their own justification for their particular position.
Yes, I agree that Sessions has announced an outside prosecutor.
Yes, he was able to cough up some “consideration” of a Special Counsel as his answer to a persistent, and now screaming, Congressional appeal for one.
Our difference is only in regard to Sessions. I see him on the Rubenstein leash and Rubenstein very possibly on the Mueller leash. I see that deference has been given to Mueller and it obscures how little Rubenstein and Sessions have produced, in 2017.
At FBI, there is deference to the Inspector General and that Wray gives sworn testimony to oversight and Intel Committees, where he answers ”No”
to having any knowledge about evidence these committees picked up, in their own investigations.
So wth is FBI doing? They seem to hide behind the months long IG work to obscure how little they have initiated. I don’t get it.
Both institutions have been totally and completely absorbed their manpower into getting Trump, while totally and completely avoiding the lopsided magnitude of evidence against Hillary. Somewhere along the line Arkansas may hold key on the Clintons, by digging into the Clinton Foundation, but that investigation is so old that I have forgotten by now who it was that even initiated that investigation.
It’s curious that JD and FBI only now they find a heartbeat to peek at Fast and Furious and Eric Holder’s revolution inside the JD. They’ve been sitting on top of his records ever since they walked in the front door of the Justice Department, Where they could have just waddled down the hallway and snoop through them. Weird.
It has become a pointless endless discussion that will only end when Sessions does something or...something else.....or nothing?
Pointless.
That was never gonna happen.
That sort of thing is how insurrections get started.
The question is what he and Trump are doing behind the scenes (and in public as well) to respond to what California is doing.
Sounds like I'd need to call in the Marines!
You are correct.
I think the Republic is nearly finished - the deep state corruption has gone on too long - perhaps they’ve done too much damage over the last 50 years to expect a recovery.
Ideally, Trump would do two things:
1) drain the swamp, fix the republic, make it accountable to the people again going forward for our children and grandchildren.
2) punish those responsible, bring them to justice (the most recent ones anyway, those that are still alive).
But let me ask you a tough question: if you had to choose either number 1) or number 2), which would you choose?
It’s a no brainer - number 1) of course.
Number 2) would be sweet, but not if it jeopardizes number 1).
Trump is a tactical thinker and a deal maker. He is disciplined and capable of giving up something that would feel good in order to increase the odds of securing what is important.
Our problem is without # 2, there is no #1.
We had a two tiered Justice Department dogging a NAVY guy for taking a photo (classified “confidential”) and a crime syndicate running out of JD, under Eric Holder. Years later, here we sit. No thanks to Sessions, who clipped his own wings. And then there’s Hillary who skates away with aplomb.
Maybe you’re right, I sure would like to see Clinton and her minions locked up. Maybe that’s the only way to really drain the swamp.
Let me ask you something RitaOK....you always seem reasonable and level headed.
Do you ever think there is something “off” about the level of Sessions hate on FR?
Even if he turns out to be a big dissapointment - don’t you think the sheer level of hate is little over the top? It seems so relentless and kind of “group thinky” the way all the haters use the same words to mock him, and to mock anyone that doesn’t go along with the hate?
I’d be curious to know what you think. It seems almost like a coordinated attack - every single thread is turned into a Sessions hate fest.
Is Jeff Sessions’ treatment here on FR proportional to his actual evilness?
I do. I wonder about it.
Sessions endorsed then-candidate Trump in February 2016. He was an important catch for Trump.
<< Do you ever think there is something “off” about the level of Sessions hate on FR? >>
It’s not hate. Most just viscerally disagree on Sessions and will meet up again, together, down the road.
Sessions was always held in the highest regard around here, admired and appreciated by everyone, for keeping his head down and lending great senatorial arguments to conservative issues. (He sent his researcher and young guru, Stephen Miller, to Trump’s campaign where he remains today, in the administration as a loyalist to Trump.)
A few things happened.
Many saw the Sessions recusal as a disaster that paid tribute to Sessions own fine principles, but betrayed a president and a nation that needed him to forge the way to DRAIN THE SWAMP.
A few others saw the recusal as a saintly act made by the good boy Sessions.
Both are true.
The defense of Sessions by his supporters didn’t sell around here. Too much hurt, disappointment and the feeling of rank betrayal, and a stab in the heart to our hope of blowing up the Swamp in warp time.
Arguments got heated and eventually it followed that some Sessions defenders added to their arguments the assuring opinion by “Q Anon” and The Conservative Treehouse (which I also read) that Sessions & Trump were simpatico.
The argument emerged that Sessions and Trump were in a grand scheme together, using theatrics, and mis-direction, all of it to execute the Swamp draining goal and prevail.
It will be fun if that turns out to be true, but for many of us, the social media remains a maze of mystique and lure, but full of dust bunnies that you can’t ever quite get your arms around. None of it really helps Sessions, but it remains an argument for his defenders, because CTH and “Q” both support the theory that Trump & Sessions are in cahoots.
The rest of us like to see flames before we believe victory is ours. There is simply no victory without justice, trials, convictions and jail time for corrupt elites and so far, it’s intrigue, reams of words, rabbit trails, but no justice, yet.
We’ll get there.
Pompeo may be the one. Maybe he can lead a charge to sanitize the corruption at Justice and the FBI. There are good men and women still in those departments that don’t like what has been for years going on, in either department.
The meme that I resent the most is when people conflate support of Sessions with Q fanaticism.
I have always thought the whole Q thing was silly. D&D meets Lord of the Rings. I couldn’t be more outspoken about how silly I think the Q thing is, yet the minute I come to Sessions’ defense, I am accused of being brainwashed by Q.
The other annoying meme is the whole 5D chess straw man. The idea that to suggest that Sessions is accomplishing things unknown to the public, or that Trump may have a strategic purpose for saying things - that it would somehow be farfetched. Such behaviors are not far-fetched -
They are standard operating procedure.
Anyway, thanks for the straight answer with no insults, hyperbole or non sequitor - I appreciate it. I suppose I disagree here and there, but that’s par for the course!
“...if Sessions is not fired, relieved of duty or for some reason resigns, by say November, I’m going to think a whole lot more about this 5D chess business.”
I think November is a reasonable time frame. And if he is fired by then, I’ll concede I was wrong
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