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Just saw 'DARKEST HOUR". Go see it!

Posted on 12/24/2017 5:49:44 AM PST by DIRTYSECRET

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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

When I hear people say the war couldn’t have been won without the Soviets, I think it is even more true to say the war couldn’t have been won without the USA.


101 posted on 12/25/2017 6:22:29 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: rlmorel
the war couldn’t have been won without the USA.
Well, you as a reader of
Freedom's Forge:
How American Business Produced Victory in World War II
Arthur Herman
know that after the war Stalin toasted, “To American production. Without it the war could not have been won."

102 posted on 12/25/2017 6:46:19 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

LOL, yes...I recall that was one of the few times he acknowledged it!

Geez, I feel dirtied by history to have even have had my country allied with a butcher like that, but war makes for strange bedfellows, that is for sure.


103 posted on 12/25/2017 6:50:47 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: rlmorel; Hojczyk
You are correct, we did have crap to start out, but keep it in context...there was an excellent book that outlined it very well; “Freedom’s Forge”.
. . .which pointed out that upon the Fall of France in May, 1940, FDR’s mind was focused on what the US would be faced with if Britain sued for peace. Especially since the USSR was allied wtih Germany until Hitler attacked Stalin in June, 1941, that was an unappetizing prospect indeed.

Thus FDR was desperate to keep Britain’s war effort afloat, and although he was, via Bill Knudsen and also others, ramping up US production of war materiel, he wasn’t keeping that materiel in the US. He was shipping it to Britain. Thus, when Pearl Harbor was attacked and the US entered the war, the US had minimal military inventory. And yet Pearl Harbor was almost exactly 18 months after Knudsen had told FDR in May 1940 that it would take 18 months to be fully prepared to ramp up war production.

The upshot was that the US could produce 50,000 military planes of all types in 1942 - and more annually, thereafter. The Manhattan Project was already under way, and it cost as much as the B-29 program did, but who at that stage would hang their hat on the fact that it would end the war in 1945?? They weren’t even certain that the Germans wouldn’t get the bomb first.

As to FDR’s switch from “Doctor New Deal” to “Doctor Win-the-War,” that is discussed in the very interesting

The New Dealers' War:
FDR and the War Within World War II
by Thomas Fleming

104 posted on 12/25/2017 7:32:41 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
He dumped Henry Wallace from his vp slot...

Later in life, Wallace realized how naïve he'd been, and became a staunch anti-communist.
105 posted on 12/25/2017 7:37:20 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: WildHighlander57
My dad didn’t idolize FDR either, reason being, he (FDR) knew beforehand that the attack on Pearl Harbor was coming, & didn’t do anything about it.

FDR knew war was inevitable one way or the other. His "Arsenal of Democracy" speech was for all intents and purposes, a declaration of war on the Axis Powers.

106 posted on 12/25/2017 7:41:59 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Thanks very much for the recommendation, CIC, I will check it out!

I found “Freedom’s Forge” to be pretty amazing. Before I read it, I had this nebulous notion that industry needed to be kick started at that point, but after reading it, realized the effort to open the path to wartime industry began long before I thought it did.

FDR did indeed perform a juggling game with war material to Britain (and the Soviet Union) while trying not to strip our own military (over the howls of our own military leaders who often thought we were doing just that!)


107 posted on 12/25/2017 7:51:38 PM PST by rlmorel (Liberals: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette.)
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To: dfwgator

There’s a state office building in Des Moines, IA named for Henry Wallace.


108 posted on 12/26/2017 4:39:44 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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