Will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery Ever Be Probed by Federal Authorities?

The Post & Email ^ | 12/7/2017 | Sharon Rondeau

[Natufian]

You’re still fixated on the Hawaii narrative (however anomalous it is) even though your hypothesis is that she was in the Vancouver/Seattle area and we’re still waiting for the evidence you’ve gathered to support it.

[Fantasywriter]

Either you are not even reading my posts or the information is going over your head. If Obama had been born born in HI, he most likely would have zero anomalies re his nativity tale/documents, etc. The fact that he has more than anyone short of a certified moron could attribute to mere chance means he was born elsewhere. What is the most likely elsewhere? There are two Salvation Army homes for unwed mothers in question. One matches all the known evidence and the other matches none.

I would say, do the math, but with you being a inveterate Obama-apologist there would be no point.

Here is a clue, which will also whiz right over your head. If statistically speaking, HI as Obama’s birthplace is a nonstarter, the next issue must be what is the most probable alternative. If he’d been born anywhere in the US he would simply have claimed that location and, if need be, poduced the commensurate BC.

Since none of this happened, the issue is where *outside* the US is the most likely location. Vancouver is the overwhelming odds on favorite. SA had an Aunt there. She’d have known about it from HS in Mercer Island (i.e.: as a place unwed mothers went to deliver the baby). Her stay there explains the period in her life during which no confirmed sightings took place and her most friendly biographers have only been able to confirm where she wasn’t, as opposed to where she was. It also perfectly explains her sudden reappearance in Seattle. It checks all the boxes.

But as a diehard Obot, you will be incapable of following the facts, evidencr, statistical probability and logic. If it were otherwise, you wouldn’t be an Obot in the first place.

[Natufian]

Ok. I think I understand now... when you said you had smoking gun evidence that Obama was born in Canada, in reality you had nothing. Just a theory. One based in faulty information and supposition. Despite ample opportunities to do so, you’ve provided literally zero evidence and when called out, the only defence you’ve provided in insults. That’s typical behaviour for you and also for your typical conspiracy theorist. At least the world can see you for the fraud you are.

[4Zoltan]

“There are two Salvation Army homes for unwed mothers in question. One matches all the known evidence and the other matches none.”

This is why I ping Natufian with your previous mistake. It is claims like these with no support.

The SA Booth Home in Honolulu checks all the boxes.

She had relatives in Hawaii. You claim Aunt Eleanor Belle Dunham Berkebile lived in Vancouver but where is the evidence?
It explains no published sightings (there are no published sightings in Vancouver or Seattle before the end of August, 1961).
It does not diminish the fact she could still have gone to Washington after the doctor gave her an okay.

BTW there is another possibility:

Salvation Army Booth Memorial Hospital, Wichita, Kansas

http://centralusa.salvationarmy.org/wichita/history

She has relatives there.
Explains the absence from view (except for Linda Joy Adams) ect.

[Fantasywriter]

You’d have to be able to understand facts, evidence, and logic in order to understand the post...Pete.

[Fantasywriter]

If Obama had been born in HI or Kansas he’d have anomaly-free records and the question of his ineligibilty would never have arisen.

[Hepsabeth]

No, not eligible. One can only naturally be an American when they can’t be anything else.

That idea leads to some interesting "what-if" questions. For example, suppose Kim Jong Il declares that as of today, all US citizens are also citizens of North Korea, which he absolutely has the power to do. What then? No one would be eligible. Any country could do that.

[Mears]

Interesting-—I did not know that.

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[Fantasywriter]

Wow, Pete—way to admit you have a long history here. A lot of new sign-ups, or even people pretending to be new sign-ups, are not as anxious to confirm their prior FR history. In your case, you apparently just couldn’t resist.

But again I apologize for calling you a retread. You just have two accounts. Pretty pathetic to be posting to yourself, isn’t it?

What is stopping you from posting to the moderators and advising them to ban me? You could truthfully say that I am too questioning and doubtful of Obama’s honesty for your taste. Oh, and you could add that I’m not a big enough fan of Obots to suit you. That should do it.

Eager to hear what the mods have to say, bol.

[4Zoltan]

"If Obama had been born in HI or Kansas he’d have anomaly-free records"

Who decides what is an anomaly?

A lot of people have anomalies in their records. What is the cut off?

Look at this BC. Note how the middle name is spelled.

Here is his selective service card. note how he spells his middle name.

[Fantasywriter]

I posted a partial list of Obama-related anomalies in #168. There are many more. If a person is born in a US hospital, it’s possible that there could be one or two anomalies associated with their records. To understand the issue with Obama, you have to consider all the issues together, as a whole. I listed 12 items but I could have added many more. It’s simply not statistically possible for a simpke, straightforward hospital birth to result in so many issues.

[4Zoltan]

BTW, if SAD had gone to the Booth Home in Honolulu - that would perfectly explain the entry on the birth certificate for the address of the “Usual Residence of Mother”.

[Fantasywriter]

It would not explain why there is not a single confirmed sighting of Stanley Ann in HI *after* the birth, or why she abruptly turned up in Seattle. Nor would it explain the many other issues associated with Obama and his records.

It has always been the Obot custom to explain one or two issues while ignoring all the rest. I.e.: each issue is taken in a vacuum, as if it was the only one. But it is the sheer number of issues that tips the scale. This is the point that Obots have never grasped, never will grasp, and apparently are incapable of grasping.

[4Zoltan]

There is not a single confirmed sighting of her in Washington or British Columbia between the spring/summer of 1960 and the end of August, 1961.

How do you explain that? No visits to Susan Blake or Maxine Box. Why not?

BTW, when did she leave Hawaii? We know she was there until at least the end of January/ early February.

As to her going to Seattle. Why not just got back to Hawaii? She has the baby in Vancouver - why go to the University of Washington? Everything was waiting of her in Hawaii. Parents, her belongings.

Any reason for not going back, is a reason to leave Hawaii in the first place.

You don’t just wake up one day and decide to go the a university. There are applications and deadlines. In her case she would need to see if Univ. of Washington would accept her credits. It was definitely a long planned move.

As for the anomalies.

The problem is so many of them are declared anomalies but turn out not to be.

Remember how everyone was convinced that Obama’s certificate number was out of sequence with the Nordykes’

That’s now known to be BS.

Remember how “African” was an anomaly until everyone found out that is a racial designation in Kenya. and it is exactly what someone from Kenya would consider themselves to be.

I looked through your list and everyone of them has been explain with rather simple explanations.

[Fantasywriter]

Obots are the ones who believe the airlines in ‘61 encouraged long flights with newborns. I don’t believe it at all.

The whole point of a home for unwed mothers would have been for SA to drop out of sight during the time when her pregnancy was obvious.

I realize that Obots are able to explain away any and all anomalies. By conyast, what Obots fail to realize is that they are a minority. Most people are not committed to the Obot code of assumptions, which posits a priori that anything Obama-related can always be explained away. Obots occupy unique ground, and possess a warped, hopelessly biased pro-Obama POV to go with it.

[Fred Nerks]

I've often wondered why no one has questioned the obvious anomalies, like there's no Stanley Ann Dunham mentioned in the Kenyan's INS documents, other than on the one occasion where he crossed out the name of his wife, and replaced it with Stanley Ann Dunham, almost as an afterthought on August 31, 1961. That's the same date on another document in which there's no child entered...and zero isn't mentioned by name until two years later, in a document obviously partly completed by someone else. Even the 'Woods' Memo that describes 'his USC wife' doesn't name her. You can run through all of the many documents in that file, and come away not knowing who his wife and child may have been. That unredacted, truncated memo Sally Jacobs had for two years before her book was published, has been accepted to read as if Stanley Ann Dunham is named as the mother discussing an adoption. There are so many words missing due to that truncation, it's impossible to follow the meaning of that sentence. Had 'Miss Dunham' been named in that memo, there would have been no need for the truncation subterfuge. Yet such luminaries as Jack Cashill repeats, parrot like, the obvious anomaly, again, another instance in which Stanley Ann Dunham wasn't named...just as SHE WASN'T LISTED AS LIVING AT THE BIRTH ANNOUNCMENT ADDRESS. That listing was for ANN S OBAMA, STUDENT. Why would anyone accept that was the name of the Dunham daughter...when no one saw her in Hawaii? A four bedroom house shared by the Pratt family and the Dunham couple might well have left room for a student lodger by the name of Ann or Anna OBAMA!

Cindy Pratt, who lived in that house as a teen, remembers Stanley Ann bringing the toddler Obama to the Pratt furniture store - that was when the boy was already old enough to jump up and down on the mattresses... So even those most cherished, long held beliefs in freeperdom repeated over and over, are full of holes. The only one thing that stands out and remains is that Ann Obama was probably the same woman who gave birth in January 1961 and was living at the 13th Avenue E address in Seattle when the famous babysitter said she was. And when was that? When her own daughter, who was born in JULY 1959 was 18 months of age. And that woman and child had absolutely nothing to do with Stanley Ann and the toddler she showed up with in Hawaii in 1963, in January, when she filed for a divorce from a man she had never met.

Someone by the name of Codevilla apparently supplied this photograph without offering to identify the people other than Stanley Armour Dunham and the Kenyan student. It's not clear when this photograph was taken, but there are two people who may remember who that girl was, snuggled up to the Kenyan, one is a woman who graduated from the University of Manoa in 1959, I won't name her, and the fool with the glasses making the rabbit-ears (peace?) sign at the back is Abercrombie. Someone needs to ask him, is this the girl he saw with the Kenyan and their baby on social occasions...because she quite clearly isn't Stanley Ann Dunham.

[Fantasywriter]

‘Remember how “African” was an anomaly until everyone found out that is a racial designation in Kenya. and it is exactly what someone from Kenya would consider themselves to be.’

Btw, that sounds like the kind of fairytale only an Obot would believe. So racial designations in the US are based on the idiosyncrasies of Kenya. And you actually tout this as evidence in favor of Obama. It falls under the rubric: the way the world would be if everyone thought like an Obot.

Smh.

[4Zoltan]

According the DOH they use whatever designation the parent puts down.

“Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father’s race and mother’s race are supplied by the parents, and that “we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be.”

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/

In 1958 Spanish was considered a race.

In 1961 Korean was considered a race.

[4Zoltan]

CBS lists that as Obama’s graduation day which would mean 1962.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/a-family-photo-album/5/