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This actually presents a big problem for progressives, who erroneously believe that if they can just get rid of the constitution, they'll be rid of all their problems; while at the same time believing that Jefferson supports their machinations in 19 year increments.

If we were to build a new Constitution today, using the same principles and the same unchangeable God-given rights as were used when the Constitution was written in 1789, just how much different would it really be if you had that very same starting point?

The progressives think they can propagandize their way toward something radically new and different. Well, as long as they control pretty much every college campus in the country, they may have a point. But that's a topic for another day.

1 posted on 10/22/2017 1:55:49 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica
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Ping............


2 posted on 10/22/2017 1:56:14 PM PDT by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot leave history to "the historians" anymore.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Proving once again that when a headline asks a question, the answer is no.


3 posted on 10/22/2017 1:57:58 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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I separate the Constitution from our Rights as two distinct concepts or topics, and I have long believed that the Founders did the same. The Constitution's plain language makes it clear: This document is not the source of our rights, it merely acknowledges their existence while at the same time telling government that it shall not infringe upon them.

This is what needs to be pounded into people's brains.

We don't have a right to self-defense because The Constitution says we do. We have it because we are alive.

4 posted on 10/22/2017 1:58:37 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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SOME writers have so confounded society with government, as to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they are not only different, but have different origins. Society is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness; the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates distinctions. The first is a patron, the last a punisher.

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others. - Thomas Paine, Common Sense (1776)

”Some writers” in the modern day call themselves “liberals.” Notice the use, decried by Paine in the first paragraph of Common Sense, of euphemism: “liberals” use the word “society” (and synonyms like “public”) as if they were synonyms for “government,” when in fact “society” and “government” are more nearly antonyms.

Just as the modern “liberal” (I insist on scare quotes) appropriates the term “liberal” when in fact he advocates not for freedom/liberty but actually for the opposite, tyranny.


7 posted on 10/22/2017 2:14:24 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Presses can be 'associated,' or presses can be independent. Demand independent presses.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The problem with Jefferson is that he puts out two conflicting opinions on almost everything.


8 posted on 10/22/2017 2:14:26 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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The Progressives always seek to deny the most basic right for which the generation of the founders sought to uphold, preserve and protect in the United States and that is Liberty.

It is from the essential right to Liberty that comes the right to life, and the pursuit of happiness. Life without Liberty is not a life of a human endowed with a free conscience and the ability to live and express it in their own life.

Progressive are always and forever attempting to truncate Liberty in the pursuit of their Utopian aims of rule by experts (the regulatory state as a permanent government presided over by a near unfettered executive power). The Progressives government is ever more like that King George’s government sought to impose on colonies - an imperial executive power. Who has done this? Congress by abdication.


9 posted on 10/22/2017 2:41:58 PM PDT by Wuli
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Jefferson had great ideas.

Jefferson had goofy ideas, like all contracts should expire within the lifetime of the living.


10 posted on 10/22/2017 2:59:11 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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"Can one generation bind another, and all others, in succession for ever?"

Very good question, with over 20 trillion in debt we will see.

11 posted on 10/22/2017 3:00:21 PM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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So-called progressives will NEVER be rid of their problems.


13 posted on 10/22/2017 3:32:05 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Bookmarked.


14 posted on 10/22/2017 4:14:52 PM PDT by Gigantor (Either the United States respects its Constitution, or there is no need for a United States.)
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