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How on Earth Can Profits Grow at 10% in a 2% Economy?
Fortune ^ | 27 July 2017 | Shawn Tully

Posted on 07/31/2017 8:56:30 AM PDT by Lorianne

Can profits really grow in double-digits in an economy bumping along at 2%?

That's the question that investors should be asking, and instead ignore at their peril. We've all heard the Wall Street bulls' mantra, endlessly advanced by analysts and market strategists, that a renewed surge in profits will keep equity prices waxing. The current consensus among analysts forecasts that reported S&P earnings-per-share will jump from $100.29 in Q1 of 2017 (based on the past four quarters) to $133 by the end of 2018, an annualized increase of over 18%.

Of course, those consensus forecasts are always inflated. But even if we discount those projections by 45%, the bulls are still expecting 10% gains in EPS over the the seven quarters spanning Q2 2017 to Q4 2018.

But recent history, and projections from every agency from the IMF to the CBO, foresee GDP growth in the 2% range, or 4% including projected inflation, well into the future. So how can the profits expand 6 points faster than the overall economy that drives the sales that largely determine the course of those profits?

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1 posted on 07/31/2017 8:56:31 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Consolidation.


2 posted on 07/31/2017 9:00:42 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Lorianne
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

It seems that a lot of folks see this as a good climate for doing some venturing....

3 posted on 07/31/2017 9:03:00 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Lorianne

How did you get an A when the class average was a C?


4 posted on 07/31/2017 9:03:39 AM PDT by edzo4 (Democrats playbook = promise everything, deliver nothing, blame someone else.)
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To: edzo4

exactly


5 posted on 07/31/2017 9:04:13 AM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Lorianne
Growth in the economy is actually growth in GDP which is more akin to the company's revenue.

Depending on a company's fixed costs and margins, a total 2% increase in revenues can produce a significantly greater percentage increase in its profits.

6 posted on 07/31/2017 9:06:59 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Lorianne

“So how can the profits expand 6 points faster than the overall economy that drives the sales that largely determine the course of those profits?”

Well, technically it is possible through efficiency, cost reductions and productivity gains.

All very, very healthy for a business and economy.

Though eventually consumer income and wealth diminish. And the cycle returns.


7 posted on 07/31/2017 9:07:57 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Lorianne
Perhaps because it's not a 2% economy.

Lots of pent-up growth out there.

In the Southeast, right now you can't throw a rock without hitting new construction, major remodeling (seems like every restaurant is doing one....) or a "Now Hiring" sign.

Nice to see things booming. Been a few years.

8 posted on 07/31/2017 9:08:30 AM PDT by wbill
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To: Lorianne

How? By cutting costs.


9 posted on 07/31/2017 9:10:13 AM PDT by CodeToad (AA)
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To: edzo4

But aren’t both percentages pre-averaged?


10 posted on 07/31/2017 9:11:56 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

He seems to be comparing one set of estimates to another set of estimates. The real answer is: Trump!


11 posted on 07/31/2017 9:14:34 AM PDT by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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To: Lorianne

It is called operating leverage.

Revenue grows at x%, and profit grows at (x+ ol)%


12 posted on 07/31/2017 9:17:23 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: wbill
Republican-majority areas are booming, due to renewed optimism since Trump's election.

Democrat-majority areas are collapsing due to pessimism over the future of government subsidies.

Growth is becoming regionalized. A future President Kamala Harris would crash Texas and make California boom - until other people's money runs out.

13 posted on 07/31/2017 9:18:29 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: SubMareener
"He seems to be comparing one set of estimates to another set of estimates."

= = = = = = = = =

Exactly - he expects some sort of linearity and direct comparability where none was ever intended.


14 posted on 07/31/2017 9:25:09 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Lorianne

Dumb question:

Last year:
Sales 1,000
Costs 900
profit 100

This year
Sales up 2% 1,020
costs up 1% 910
profit 110

profit up 10% (110/100)


15 posted on 07/31/2017 9:26:12 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Lorianne

Not EVERYONE was going broke during the Great Depression.

A third were going broke

A third were surviving

and a Third were having their most profitable years ever.


16 posted on 07/31/2017 9:29:51 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Lorianne
Simple, gradually sell off the seed, farm equipment, barns, and even the land, along with the current crop. That makes for nice profitable quarters which in turn leads to nice fat bonus checks for the people running the business while damning to impoverishment the people dependent on the next crop.

JMHo

17 posted on 07/31/2017 9:32:12 AM PDT by Rashputin
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To: glorgau

And efficiency, productivity, good marketing, taking cost out, taking share, and a host of other things that business people get paid to do.

I’d have been laughed out of the room if I’d ever presented a business plan that reflected only GDP growth. They could get that without me.


18 posted on 07/31/2017 9:38:13 AM PDT by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: Lorianne

Easy. It ain’t 2% growth. It’s a lot more.

We post jobs numbers, new startups, new expansions EVERY DAY here on FR and they are stunning.

AZ, for example, is growing by leaps and bounds. INTEL’s expansion alone in Chandler will account for thousands of new jobs. Building on every corner.


19 posted on 07/31/2017 9:39:33 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Lorianne

Not all business have the same profit margins, also once you have paid operating cost additional revenue increase profits exponentially. For some business 2% growth would allow them break even while 2% for another business could be almost entirely profit.


20 posted on 07/31/2017 9:40:35 AM PDT by edzo4 (Democrats playbook = promise everything, deliver nothing, blame someone else.)
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