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Just How Far Did Obama Go To Spy on President Trump?
IWB ^ | Gabrielle Seunagal

Posted on 03/17/2017 6:21:27 PM PDT by davikkm

Recent news of Obama’s invasive and deliberate spying on President Trump demands a serious investigation. How was Obama able to spy on the soon-to-be President during his campaign and what were his motives? The FBI, House of Representatives, and the Senate have each launched investigations to uncover more details and unknown variables, but some truths which may come as a shock to the American people.

Despite common beliefs, at no time was Obama required to obtain a warrant to spy on Mr. Trump. As Commander in Chief, Obama was well within his legal rights to merely order the NSA to provide a copy of Mr. Trump’s phone call records and transcripts. He was under no obligations to provide any reasons, warrants, or documents for the request. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was established in the 1970s, as a means of national security purposes and has granted Presidents with the power to monitor those who are perceived as potentially threatening to the country. It is worth noting that many Presidents used this act to do what some might consider as ‘overstepping their bounds,’ only in this scenario, it is perfectly legal. The ease in which the government spies on Americans is alarming.

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1 posted on 03/17/2017 6:21:27 PM PDT by davikkm
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Kim Dotcom‏Verified account @KimDotcom More When GCSB (NZ) wants to access the entire communication history of a local target they simple access the US based spy cloud. Like in my case 12 replies 172 retweets 244 likes Reply 12 Retweet 172 Like 244


Kim Dotcom‏Verified account @KimDotcom More If NSA/CIA can't legally spy on targets they ask GCHQ (UK) to do it. US spies get access via shared spy cloud. Bypassing local laws & courts
2 posted on 03/17/2017 6:26:07 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: davikkm

According to The Bible the anti Christ’ horn is full of eyes. I think collecting info is the key to his power, blackmail and control.


3 posted on 03/17/2017 6:26:31 PM PDT by Bellflower (Dems = Mat 6:23 ....If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!)
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To: davikkm

How far does soetoro deny it? That’s how guilty he is.


4 posted on 03/17/2017 6:33:19 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: davikkm

. . . anyway . . . . Can we say that we overcame this ?

I mean: We, the American People, OVERCAME this *handicap* !!


5 posted on 03/17/2017 6:38:14 PM PDT by PraiseTheLord
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To: davikkm
absurd absurdium...

From the Chicago Tribune on February 2nd....

The depictions of Trump's calls are also at odds with sanitized White House accounts. The official readout of his conversation with Turnbull, for example, said that the two had "emphasized the enduring strength and closeness of the U.S.-Australia relationship that is critical for peace, stability, and prosperity in the Asia-Pacific region and globally." - http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-australia-malcoln-turnbull-phone-call-20170201-story.html

Simple Question - Where did that information come from?

That was just the warmup.

From the New York Times on February 9th:

Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn’s comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They were even more surprised that Mr. Trump’s team publicly denied that the topics of conversation included sanctions. The call is the latest example of how Mr. Trump’s advisers have come under scrutiny from American counterintelligence officials. The F.B.I. is also investigating Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort; Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the campaign; and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/us/flynn-is-said-to-have-talked-to-russians-about-sanctions-before-trump-took-office.html?_r=0

Simple Question - WHERE DID THAT INFORMATION COME FROM?

I cannot imagine any situation under which those phone conversations can be intercepted by American intelligence operatives, given to journalists and published in the media... and no laws be broken.

6 posted on 03/17/2017 6:51:42 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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As Commander in Chief, Obama was well within his legal rights to merely order the NSA to provide a copy of Mr. Trump’s phone call records and transcripts


Well, except for that little 4th amendment thingy. But that dusty old document doesn’t mean much in D.C. anymore.

P.S. Thank you G.W.


7 posted on 03/17/2017 7:09:07 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democrat party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: davikkm

Why is the Magic Negro hiding out in the South Pacific now???


8 posted on 03/17/2017 7:41:04 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Taglines now subject to management approval?)
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To: davikkm

Does Tahiti extradite to the US?
Obama is spending a month at Marlon Brando’s private resort there right now. At exorbitant amounts per night.


9 posted on 03/17/2017 7:52:41 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: VRWC For Truth

I hope he chokes on Reggie.


10 posted on 03/17/2017 8:15:43 PM PDT by jospehm20
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To: davikkm

I was in the security services 50 years ago (Navy) and almost immediately after getting my clearance, was told, if a msg is in the ether, we can intercept it.

Net, the fact that there are no wires or gizmos in Trump Tower means nothing. Obama requested two FISA oks to tap and apparently, one, perhaps two were granted. With that in hand, and today’s technology, there is no doubt that Trump was tapped by Obama (his minions).


11 posted on 03/17/2017 8:24:25 PM PDT by Rembrandt (Part of the 51% who pay Federal taxes)
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Obama requested two FISA oks to tap Trump....and apparently, one, perhaps two were granted..... there is no doubt that Trump was tapped by Obama (his minions).

FISA TIMELINE
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.

October 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons.

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The Obama wire-tapping gang WILL have to face the music.

(JIM0216 hat tip)......the issue isn't whether Trump was wiretapped (Obama admitted such and there's a FISA paper trail...... warrants issued for the wiretapping). The issue is whether there was probable cause to issue a warrant. Probable cause is defined as the reasonable likelihood that a crime is or has been committed by the person or at the place designated........

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(REAGANGENERATION2 HAT TIP)---Trump should be able to review all 2 or 3 FISA requests (if he hasn’t already), and then let Congress determine if the requesters lied about the probable cause justifying them......then (1) you’d prove perjury, and, even worse, (2) the intent was to abuse executive power.

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A good beginning....and then it gets downright lethal for the Obama gang:

Via Breitbart, JOHN HAYWARD observed that the FISA court may have approved a warrant submitted without Trump’s name but “which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump.”

Ergo the most serious legal jeopardy that might be faced would be (a) perjury for lying to the FISA court, and, (b) the dissemination of collected intelligence that should have been kept tightly classified.

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It is also entirely possible that Obama and his legal team may have perjured themselves before the FISA court by willfully withholding material information in order to manipulate the FISA court’s willingness to permit the government surveillance.

FALSIFYING GOVT DOCUMENTS would fall under the Crimes Act of 1958. Moreover, falsifying official documents is the criminal MO to hide larger crimes.

EXCERPT A person falsifying documents can be held criminally liable if they are deliberately acting with the intention of deceiving or defrauding another party.

Falsifying documents is a very serious offense and is generally classified as a felony. This means that a person charged with falsifying documents may be subject to the following legal penalties:
◾Having to pay a monetary fine
◾Incarceration in a prison facility

Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years.

And if official government documents or govt authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. Legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses.

Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:
◾Altering or misrepresenting fact-based information
◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements
◾Forging a signature
◾Using official letterheads without authorization
◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958. (excerpt)

12 posted on 03/18/2017 2:06:32 AM PDT by Liz ( w W)
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To: Liz
Depending on the gravity of the offense, as well as individual state laws, falsifying documents can result in a prison sentence of 5-10 years. And if official government documents or govt authorities were involved, the legal penalties may be more severe. Legal penalties may increase with repeat offenses. Many different types of acts can be considered as falsifying a document, including:

◾Altering or misrepresenting fact-based information

◾Stating false information when requested to provide truthful statements

◾Forging a signature

◾Using official letterheads without authorization

◾Knowingly using or distributing a fake document

The penalty for falsifying government documents is outlined in the Crimes Act of 1958. (excerpt)

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The Clintons and Obama have thumbed their noses at our laws. We'll see what Att Gen. Sessions and President Trump have to say in their response. If not significant jail time for both of them, then there is no meaningful response and the criminals have won again.

13 posted on 03/18/2017 11:03:31 AM PDT by politicianslie (What would a terrorist do if he were made POTUS? : Exactly what Hussein Obama did=)
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To: davikkm

bflr!


14 posted on 12/08/2017 11:57:03 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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