I wouldn't know. I also wouldn't make presumptions.
Posted on 02/11/2017 3:07:43 PM PST by markomalley
there is no upside to giving further voice to the enemy’s propaganda anywhere, including here.
this person is promoting a circular firing squad.
I concur wholeheartedly.
For one specific example, there is no doubt in my mind that the TEA Party movement has had a hugely beneficial effect on the GOP.
Well, maybe you’re right.
I get your point. Conservatives can be a bit rigid at times. However, conservatives are, by and large, pretty clear on the basic principles they stand for.
What does the GOP as a whole really stand for? They claim to be conservatives yet they often do just the opposite AFTER THE ELECTION IS OVER.
An one example, the Republican congress gave Obama practically every dime he asked for over the last eight years. I can give you at least a dozen more examples of political hypocrisy and back stabbing the people who vote for them. The point is, what they do is often at odds with what they say and promise to do.
You can claim that “we won this election”. I understand that but its not quite the victory it appears to be. Many Republicans owe their election to eight years of fear, frustration and resentment of Obama. Voters gave the GOP another chance in spite of their misgivings about them and having been disappointed for so many years. Aside from Trump’s great victory, the fact that the GOP won both houses of congress was to some extend due to a political tailwind directly resulting from Obama fatigue.
Republicans have a lot to prove. So far, they have not risen to the occasion nor have they stood tall with their president. But I’ll be the first to applaud them if and when they do and finally stand for something other than their own re-election.
Honestly, I’m not sure what to think about Preibus. I’m quite sure one, if not the primary reason Trump chose him for COS is as a liason to Ryan.
Trump has many enemies in the establishment of both parties. They have attempted numerous times to take Trump down, most notably with the Access Hollywood tape. And keep in mind the intelegence community is still digging for, or creating a Trump campaign connection to the Russian angle.
While Pence proved his loyalty during the Access Hollywood attempted coup, there is no doubt if the GOPe could replace Trump with Pence, it would happen in an instant.
“Interesting.”
I agree. This is food for thought.
I probably came off as overly harsh, but for this crappy post to be true, you’d have to first believe that donald trump, king of the most cut throat business in american’s most unforgiving city, is a poor judge of character and is naive.
I ain’t buying it.
the TEA Party movement has had a hugely beneficial effect on the GOP.
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The GOP did not embrace the Tea Party. In fact it did everything it could to undermine and marginalize this legitimate grass roots movement. Just ask many of the representatives who came to Washington hoping to change the system but were subverted by John Boehner and his cohorts in the GOP establishment.
I believe many of the people who voted for and financially supported Donald Trump were “members” and benefactors of that former movement. Myself include. I like to this of this group as the new T Party (”T” for Trump). :)
Preibus? My late daughter knew him in college.....great guy, the real deal. Salt of the Earth.
I agree Trump’s judgment is likely to be extremely good. And frankly, since he joined Reince comes across as genuine.
Hypervigilance on the one hand has to be balanced with trust on the other.
I`m skeptical that Priebus is feeding info to the press. Of course I could be wrong. I think the more likely culprit is someone else, one of the new hires by the administration. Many of them are Republican careerists who don`t have the same loyalty to Trump as his inner circle seems to have.
Maybe he`s right, but Ijust in general I`m begining to develope an amount of skepticism towards Cernovich. I`m not saying he`s definitely wrong here, but in general, I get the sense that he`s a little overly impressed with his own intellect and importance. I`ll wait till I have more to go on than just his deductions.
I didn’t say the GOP did, and wouldn’t. But the fact is that the GOPEs have had to deal with the TEA Party influence in many ways, and it has been beneficial. And I agree that Trump is where he is partially because of the TEA Party movement.
The fact remains, going 3rd party remains foolish. I attended the early national TEA Party convention in Nashville, and one thing we were almost all in agreement on, among folks I spoke with, was the need to work within GOP structures. Most were old enough to remember Perot, and none wanted to wind up on the 3rd party road again. It just doesn’t work in the US system from a game theory perspective.
No one disagrees that our leadership hamstrings the minority of conservatives on the Hill.
Trump is changing the Party with common sense alone. I have no idea what our future is without him. Sessions is a good man. I watch Tom Cotton also. So few have instincts. Practically all of them missed on Trump, and it’s hard to forget. They were all playing the old game.
the tea party won that process of attempted assimilation by the GOP establishment. you don’t have to look any further than the influence of the freedom caucus, or the fact that the vast majority of the GOP backed trump after he won the nomination.
stop throwing rocks at dead sh*t. the old thing that people like to call the GOPe is truly dead sh*t.
Most of them don't seem to donate to FR so One must assume they don't invest themselves in anything worthwhile. Why is that?
I wouldn't know. I also wouldn't make presumptions.
For every one that does donate, there are many that don't. If everyone who actively posted comments were to donate even $5 a month, there would be no money problems.
The GOP is not all bad. I agree on that point. There are a few principled people in the party (but not enough in my opinion).
The problem is that many, if not most of them, dance to the tune played by their big money donors like the Chamber of Congress and myriad other interest groups. That’s who they really work for. Trust me, “our representatives” meet with special interest groups every day of the week (and on weekends too) and look for their financial support. The problem is, there is always a quid pro quo.
Trying to get them to work for us instead of them is a real problem. Trump is trying his best to drain the swamp and he’s making some progress, but he can’t do it alone. He needs much more support than he has been getting from the GOP.
stop throwing rocks at dead sh*t. the old thing that people like to call the GOPe is truly dead sh*t.
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I’m sorry you have so little tolerance for the views of others. I’m not throwing anything at anybody. Just expressing my opinion like many other FReepers on this board do. It’s what makes the board interesting, stimulating and provacative.
Let’s look at the facts. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan are still in power and they are truly establishment people. McConnell has been in the senate for OVER 30 YEARS. Ryan has been in the House for NEARLY 20 YEARS. Neither person has exactly welcomed the arrival of Donald J. Trump.
If you believe the GOPe is truly dead, then you ought to check out none other than Newt Gingrich’s comments on that very subject. He is still one of the most outspoken critics of the GOPe. So he obviously believes it exists.
I appreciate your points about the difficulties inherent in a third party movement. Granted, its problematic in many respects.
However, I disagree that it cannot work. Many things that seem exceedingly difficult can be accomplished under the right kind of leadership. People said Trump could not be elected, but he was. Even Obama’s first election looked highly improbably at one point given who he was running against in the primary. Brexit seemed unlikely. Perhaps Marine Le Pen will win the French presidency in 2017. So much for prevailing wisdom and theory.
As someone once said: “The difficult may take a little while; the impossible slightly longer”. ;)
But seriously, the point is, all it takes is exceptional leadership and it could become a reality. Of course, its effectiveness is another matter but again, it would depend on leadership with vision, principles, and courage. I wouldn’t close the door on the possibility of a third party at some point down the road, especially if the GOPe fails us yet again.
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