Posted on 12/19/2016 11:27:57 AM PST by Sean_Anthony
Well, California has become an aberration in the United States. California doesn’t want the United States, and the United States doesn’t particularly want California
When I moved here over 30 years ago, this was a fabulous state. It had about half the population, the towns in the San Francisco Bay Area were actual separate towns, the highways carried the traffic pretty well, there was adequate water in the reservoirs despite a three year repeating rain and drought cycle, and the governors were Republican. Illegal aliens back then weren’t as big a problem. They couldn’t get driver licenses, or vote because no one checked I.D., or be harbored as fugitives by “sanctuary cities.” Racist advocacy groups such as La Raza were no where near as prominent, students didn’t march down the streets behind flags of Mexico demanding that the vote for President be overturned, and we weren’t all identified, divided, and ruled as separate skin colors by our state government.
Thinking about taking up arms against your fellow citizen gets your rocks off does it? I don’t see it happening. To many of us in the other 49 WANT CA TO SECEDE.
So you say but California is not a nation, is not set up as a nation, and is very dependent on America. Let me ask you, you roll-over, yellow-bellied, secessionist, what would you do to stop me?
Each state is set up exactly like a nation. It took the Southern states 4 weeks to secede and set of a Federal government. In the era of the telegraph and horse and buggy too.
With a boot to the face and every illegal booted back to Mexico after we take Baja California and northwest Sonora in payment for all of the trouble Mexico has cost us.
You should change your FR handle to secessionist_traitor or soros_buttboy.
A Lincolnesque attack on CA would be a big mistake. I think even you are smart enough to realize that.
Answer is easy. Cut off the federal money for “Sanctuary Cities” “Sanctuary Counties” and even the state. Let them wither in their socialist paradise—let them tax the rich into poverty to feed the millions from south of the border. The Trump should help re-start the Republican Party in the Golden State. The Uniparty State needs to end.
Yours is an incredibly militant position that I do not believe would be universal. If California seeks peaceful separation I and many others will be willing to seriously consider it. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 12 years and enjoyed much of my time there and have fond memories and good friends there, but taking away California would abruptly take away much of the leftward impetus on the U.S. and force the Democrats to radically reinvent themselves or become completely irrelevant on a national level.
It the only safe thing to do.
I think many if not most Americans would vote to allow California to secede. All republicans and conservatives would, to remove the 55 automatic Democrat electoral votes from America. The Democrats would nopt wipn another national election.
The chaos types just want any change for change sake, so they woud voe for it. So would all the hollywood sluts who said they want to leave America. They could and without ever leaving California.
I would vote for it!
Three states make sense, and avoids the issue of secession (hesitantly, I have to agree that secession is out of the question). It would add one liberal state and one conservative state (pending ongoing leftification of the north west).
I only have two concerns;
1 - would the split have any provision for exchanging "hostage" citizens between Jefferson and the Californias? (I'm not real happy here as it is). And,
2- Would Jefferson have adequate sea port facilities?
The author must be from San Francisco, he seems blind to huge liberal influence of the Silicone Valley - part of his benighted northern CA segment.
So Cal has it's proximity to mexico while today's central California is overrun with technical/academic/urban liberal elitists, plus the home grown druggies 'Frisco is famous for.
A final benefit to the three state option is that the US would only have to sell off a third of the territory when mexico made their move; I'd hold out for enough reparations to finance a well armed border militia for ten or twenty years.
+1
That's true. But the culture of the state has really changed -- at least in the metropolitan areas. Someone like Reagan would never get elected there and people who planned to vote for someone like Reagan (or for Trump) would tend to keep quiet about it.
Greatly restrict welfare and liberalism dies.
It’s bankrupt. Break it up into several smaller states and isolate the hard left even more.
1 - would the split have any provision for exchanging “hostage” citizens between Jefferson and the Californias? (I’m not real happy here as it is). And,
2- Would Jefferson have adequate sea port facilities?
1. That one would have to be worked out; hard to say.
2. Yes, the new state, which reaches to the coast, would have adequate coastline. Adequate seaports would have to be constructed.
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