Posted on 12/03/2016 5:05:50 AM PST by marktwain
The Marine Corps is considering suppressing all small arms. Military organizations have historically been slow to adopt new technologies. They have been slow to adopt optical sights, which were overwhelmingly adopted by sportsmen long before they become common for ordinary soldiers. In the U.S. that was during the first Gulf War.
Suppressors have been commonly used by sportsmen around the world for decades long before widespread adoption by any military. The United States is the exception, due to irrational regulation.
The Marine Corp is in the process of equipping an entire battalion with suppressed small arms. From ameriforce.net:
In a series of experiments this year, units from 2nd Marine Division will be silencing every element of an infantry battalion — from M4 rifles to .50 caliber machine guns.I have often thought that widespread suppressor use would be positive for the military. A common reason for not having suppressors has been the idea of suppressive fire. Suppressive fire is not guns using suppressors. It is the idea that if people are shooting at you, you will keep your head down and not shoot back. If the people shooting at you are using suppressors, you will not be as aware that they are shooting at you, or so goes the argument.
The commanding general of 2nd Marine Division, Maj. Gen. John Love, described these plans during a speech to Marines at the Marine Corps Association Ground Dinner this month near Washington, D.C.
The proof-of-concept tests, he said, included Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines, which began an Integrated Training Exercise pre-deployment last month at Marine Corps Air-Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms.
“What we’ve found so far is it revolutionizes the way we fight,” Love told Military.com. “It used to be a squad would be dispersed out over maybe 100 yards, so the squad leader couldn’t really communicate with the members at the far end because of all the noise of the weapons. Now they can actually just communicate, and be able to command and control and effectively direct those fires.”
Thank you!
Longer version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iK502zQ8rs&feature=youtu.be#t=273.2009138
You could have fun shooting and cook bacon on that can.
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the Hearing Protection Act is certainly a ‘good first step’ toward ‘sensible gun laws’.
True, Absolutely true!
Excellent!
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Post #45 was meant for Laz.
Sorry about that.
I can just imagine a successive crack crack crack as it goes down the pole line, LOL
For the ultimate in stealth,subsonic loads in a semi (or single shot bolt pistol (TC)) especially if the slide stays forward after firing is very quiet.
grease guns with silencers sounded like a sewing machine in the next room, only the sounds of the action itself were heard.
Would be cool to have a .22 rifle, 1000 fps with a light scope, and for heavier work, a .45 with 850fps projectiles.
9 mm's come with a variety of cans, most of them work very well.
There is a short tape on you tube regards hydraulic filters that is fun to watch.
I will see if I can find it.
F1 uses carbon fiber brakes so heat isn't the issue, but it's a hell of alot more expensive
Silencing a 50 cal isn’t all that difficult. Drill some holes in the barrel and slide your can over the holes then extend beyond the end of the barrel a suppressor to break the speed of the gasses exiting the barrel. That way the suppressor sticks out six inches instead of eighteen, twenty four or thirty six. Keep in mind the slower the gasses exit the suppressor, the more heat it will retain.
I will see if I can find it.
Ping me please if you do find it.
The idea is to mask the sound of the muzzle blast and confuse the enemy as to direction of the shooter. You cannot tell the direction a round came from by the sound it makes passing you.
while there, there are a few trial vids showing them in action, as well as other vids of oil filter uses.
That’s logical. Of course hi tech instruments could possibly be devised to pick up location of a supersonic shot by mapping the shock wave. Of course fire fights can be quick and locations non static so a device like that might be useless.
Yup. Got it. Interesting.
Impressive to say the least.
Try a Dan Wesson. The barrel is threaded on both ends. You can make the gap between cylinder and barrel very small. And the other end you could use the silencer in place of the nut for locking the barrel shroud on.
I think I heard the OSS used them (silenced in WWII). Though can’t be sure.
Agree.
I have done some testing of my own swapping 30 caliber cans onto 556s. Measured sound difference, velocity and accuracy. Sound was negligible, +5db. Velocity, no difference up close. Accuracy was maintained well withing kill zone out to 300 yards. Accuracy started to slip at about 400 yards.
If the military does its testing like I did it would just by bulk 30 caliber cans for long guns.
Forget cans for its 50s and 338 long range. When you are reaching out over a half a mile or better it is hard to trace where the round is coming from.
Sidearms? Who knows. They have such a hodge podge of sidearms out there and until they get the branches to agree on ONE fits all caliber and make they will keep having it. But I can see the squabble. I would not go into any fray packing a 9mm and would only carry something with a 4 and a 5 in it.
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