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Michigan vote certified, no recount has ever overturned a lead this size
Political Ref ^ | 11/24/16

Posted on 11/25/2016 8:49:17 AM PST by TheRef

11/24/16  

Michigan vote certified, no recount has ever overturned a lead this size

If elections fall within 2000 votes in Michigan, an automatic recount is triggered

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Trump leads in Michigan by more than Hillary led in New Hampshire

Trump has defeated Hillary Clinton for the presidency in the state of Michigan by a margin of 10,704 votes according to the Michigan Secretary of State. Despite the certification, no national television network has yet projected Trump the winner of Michigan's sixteen electoral votes. This is extremely unusual even in races decided by 0.23% of the vote.

In fact, the state of New Hampshire was called for Clinton on November 11th by CNN when Clinton held a 0.2% lead, ahead by only 1,437 votes. Instead of projecting Trump the winner of Michigan two weeks after the election when the vote has been certified, the networks refuse to project Trump the winner, instead preferring to trumpet calls for a recount in the state based on phantom vote hacking, something that is virtually impossible in Michigan because it uses all paper ballots.

 

But it is true that the exit polls showed Hillary tied in Michigan, so should that make us think a recount is warranted? Not at all because the exit polls gave Hillary better numbers than she actually received in almost every state. Only in California, New York, Minnesota, Illinois and Texas did Clinton do better than the exit polls predicted.

These exit polls failed miserably. They routinely understated Trump's level of support by large margins. The exit polls missed Trump's number by 11 in New Jersey, 10.7 in Missouri, 9.6 in Utah, 8.4 in Ohio, 8.2 in Maine, 8.2 in South Carolina, 5.9 in North Carolina and the list goes on. Of the twenty-eight state exit polls reported here, Trump's vote was understated by an average of 3.6%.

What one might find quite interesting, however, one state where the exit polls almost nailed the final result, which only happened in about six states, was Michigan. The exit polls predicted a tie and Trump won by 0.23%. So the exit polls do not provide a good argument for a recount.

There is also the concern about vote hacking. Fortunately for democracy, the likelihood of vote hacking making a difference in Michigan is virtually zero. All ballots in Michigan are paper ballots, so vote hacking of electronic machines seems unlikely. While some imagine fanciful scenarios whereby the machines that count the paper ballots are hacked, the Michigan elections director doubts that vote-hacking is a legitimate concern.

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Comparing Trump's Michigan lead to other margins that actually justified a recount

How does a lead of 0.23% and 10,704 votes stack up in comparison with past recounts. In a word, the lead looks insurmountable. Let's look at five recounts, some of which overturned the result and some that didn't.

There have been five notable recounts in the last twenty years. In the 2004 Washington state gubernatorial race the Republican was ahead by 261 votes initially, but after two recounts ended up losing by 129 votes. There were about 2.8 million votes cast total and the initial margin separating the two was 0.009% of the vote.

In the 2006 Vermont Auditor's race, the initial count showed the Republican up by 137 votes. After the recount the Democrat took a 102 vote lead. There were 250,609 total votes case and the initial vote margin was 0.05% of the vote.

In 2006 in Florida's 13th congressional district, the Republican led by 350 votes initially and held the lead after a recount. There 238,249 votes cast and the initial vote margin was 0.14% of the vote.

In the 2008 Minnesota US Senate election, Al Franken trailed Norm Coleman by 215 votes. After the recount Franken took a 225 vote lead. There were 2.9 million votes cast and the initial vote margin was 0.008% of the vote.

Last, who can forget the presidential election of 2000 in Florida. The state would determine who won the presidency. After all votes were counted, including some military votes a few days after the election, Bush led by 930 votes. His lead would dwindle to 537 votes. The total votes cast was 6 million and the initial margin was 0.016% of the total vote.

In Michigan in 2016, the initial vote margin is 10,704 votes cast. There were a total of 4.8 million votes, so the initial margin is 0.23%.

 

So when comparing the lead Trump holds in Michigan to other statewide elections where recounts were called for, Trump looks safe. In every case of a recount on a statewide level the vote margins are in the hundreds, not the thousands. A vote lead of 10,704 votes is a very large lead to overcome in a recount. In fact, it looks like an impossible mission.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2016recount; 2016swingstates; mi2016; michigan; recounts; trumptransition
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1 posted on 11/25/2016 8:49:17 AM PST by TheRef
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To: TheRef

I bet the electoral count websites won’t update Trump to 306 until the vote is announced in Congress next year.


2 posted on 11/25/2016 8:53:04 AM PST by AU72
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To: TheRef

Democrats seem to firmly believe that, if their candidate losses, something was amiss and the results need to be overturned.

So we have the case in Wisconsin that the Democrats overturned gerrymandering on the basis that their projections showed that districts they should have won were lost. The case will be appealed to SCOTUS.


3 posted on 11/25/2016 8:55:38 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: TheRef

I live between the 7 and the 0 in Macomb county, noted on NBC’s Face the Nation

Additionally:

“...Trump’s 54%-42% margin in Macomb County was especially important, given that Obama had won there in the last two elections and it is one of the largest counties in the state. Trump got nearly 33,000 more votes out of Macomb than Republican nominee Mitt Romney did in 2012.”

BOOM!

306!

Yeah, we are pretty proud of that.


4 posted on 11/25/2016 8:57:32 AM PST by Eddie01
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To: AU72

Hey LIEberal crybabies and children throwing temper tantrums.
Repeat after us— President Donald J. Trump. Better luck cheating and stealing votes next time.


5 posted on 11/25/2016 9:01:28 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or tyranny (agent Able Deplor))
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To: PIF

They were fighting over issues from 2010!


6 posted on 11/25/2016 9:01:49 AM PST by mdmathis6 (BEWARE THE ABORTION POLITICAL INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX!)
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To: TheRef

Democrats still stepping in it.


7 posted on 11/25/2016 9:02:13 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: TheRef

Wait til they find all those boxes of “missing” ballots in car trunks. The $3 million that Jill Stein “raised” will cover the printing cost. Where did the money come from? Cough (george soros) Cough.

The dems are determined to pull an Al Franken-style vote fraud on us all.


8 posted on 11/25/2016 9:02:27 AM PST by sevlex
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To: TheRef
I can't imagine any way the Democraps could come up with 10,700 "newly discovered" votes in Michigan, ...

... nor more than 65,000 in PA, ...

... nor over 27,000 in WI.

A few hundred ballots from somebody's garage, or in the trunk of some union goon's car, maybe.

But the tens of thousands needed - no way.

Dream on, libturds, dream on. You can try again in 2020.

9 posted on 11/25/2016 9:05:38 AM PST by FroggyTheGremlim (Hillary Clinton: the official candidate of the National Sleep Foundation)
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To: TheRef

Translation - the massive fraud in Detroit was insufficient to overcome the will of the people.


10 posted on 11/25/2016 9:07:47 AM PST by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: Vaduz

“Democrats still stepping in it.”

No they aren’t. This whole “recount” and “hacked voting machines” initiative is intended only to cast doubts on the legitimacy of Trump’s resounding victory.

The same thing is true of all the ridiculous calls to end the Electoral College. There’s no way the Democrats with their diminished power have any prayer of amending the Constitution. This doesn’t matter to them, they are providing lots of fodder for their propaganda media outlets to say that Trump’s victory was “disputed”.

The Left are masters of “strategic failure”. Remember all those bills to forgive student loans that always come out right before tough local elections, just so Democrats can run ads blasting Republicans for opposing them?


11 posted on 11/25/2016 9:08:29 AM PST by Junk Silver
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To: AU72

some websites have updated Trump to 306

http://www.electoral-vote.com

http://www.thegreenpapers.com (scroll down for results)


12 posted on 11/25/2016 9:11:26 AM PST by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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To: TheRef

Let’s see...Mr. Trump beat Hillary, the DNC machine, democrat/liberal/progressives/Marxist sycophants, the state controlled media AND the RINOs.

Not to mention voter fraud and electioneering by the democrats.

Imho, that is a mandate.

5.56mm


13 posted on 11/25/2016 9:11:48 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: mdmathis6

Which go back to the 1917 revolution ...


14 posted on 11/25/2016 9:11:53 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: TheRef

Trump doesn’t even need MI. He is up in PA by 69,000 votes. He is up in WI by 24,000 votes. This recount business is just another way for the Left to give gullible people some heartburn rather than enjoy the Trump victory. It is over. Trump won and will be sworn in on January 20, 2017.


15 posted on 11/25/2016 9:15:44 AM PST by kabar
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To: Junk Silver

You’re right; it is to discredit Trump while downplaying the obvious failure of the media to deliver the White House to Hillary. This election was about more than slaying the White Witch; it showed that Trump could win despite ALL of the enemedia (with the exception of 1/2 of Fox News) working against him.

I expect Dems to pursue two strategies to combat this in the future: 1) stricter control of the internet, including the elimination of anonymity, and 2) elimination of secret ballots, via the use of absentee ballots completed under the strict supervision of the respective commissar (”ministers”, shop stewards and such). Valid ballots will be completed under duress and turned over to a Dem proxy authority to avoid the collapse of the traditional Dem constituencies’ (blacks, union members, etc.) votes we’ve just seen.

The Dem high command wasn’t surprised by this result; they knew Hillary had to campaign in PHILADELPHIA in the last few days because nobody was feeling the love for her in a place that went 100+% for Gore...


16 posted on 11/25/2016 9:18:17 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Junk Silver

The Left are masters of “strategic failure

“Democrats still stepping in it.”


17 posted on 11/25/2016 9:21:07 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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To: TheRef
There have been five notable recounts in the last twenty years. In the 2004 Washington state gubernatorial race the Republican was ahead by 261 votes initially, but after two recounts ended up losing by 129 votes. There were about 2.8 million votes cast total and the initial margin separating the two was 0.009% of the vote.

This was a classic case of "finding" the votes necessary to win. The dhimmicraps kept discovering "lost" ballots that magically all were dhimmi votes. Once they achieved their safe margin they all called for certification.

18 posted on 11/25/2016 9:22:27 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: meyer

Exactly.


19 posted on 11/25/2016 9:24:37 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: TheRef

How many votes were stolen for Hillary and taken away from Trump all across this country should be the question. I have no doubt he won by far more comfortable margins in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Wisconsin despite Dem voter fraud. I believe he had Nevada, Colorado, Minnesota and New Hampshire stolen from him. Trump’s victory was far more substantial than will ever be reported. I see the Democruds are doubling down on blaming the Russians for tampering with the election. They better get out of implosion mode fast, but if they pick Keith Ellison as the DNC chair you can put a fork in those losers.


20 posted on 11/25/2016 9:25:17 AM PST by dowcaet
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