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You might say that in 1861 the Deep South was motivated by a desire to preserve the Constitution.

Only if you were exceptionally stupid or biased or deceptive.

Racial equality? Is that now the standard for judging people who lived in the 1800s?

Maybe "racial equality" isn't the right word, but Dickens, who showed great compassion and love of justice in some cases had some real blind spots. He shared an anti-democratic streak with Thomas Carlyle, and that probably surprises a lot of people now who are familiar with his most famous works.

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“Maybe “racial equality” isn’t the right word, but Dickens, who showed great compassion and love of justice in some cases had some real blind spots.”

Lincoln. What about Lincoln? Was Lincoln really a white supremacist?

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“Only if you were exceptionally stupid or biased or deceptive.”

It kind of rankles you when someone throws in your face the fact that New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland and Rhode Island have slave state histories. These states could have prevented the U.S. Constitution from incorporating slavery. There is a reason they didn't. They did not want to.

Now, tell this board how four states forced nine other states to agree to slavery against their will.