Posted on 11/13/2016 9:38:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
Ok, so let’s set the record straight on this whole petition thing floating around that has now received over 3 million signatures called “Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19”.
The argument is that Hillary won the popular vote, so we should abolish the electoral college altogether and the state electors should abandon the electoral votes for Trump, and instead vote Hillary into office. There’s just one problem, liberals…Hillary DID NOT win the popular vote. Here’s why.
First of all, she’s probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast.
States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.
Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33 to 0.66 million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.)
So, the next time someone says “Hillary won the popular vote” you can give them this little election lesson, as most people have no idea that hundreds of thousands of ballots are never even counted.
Statistically, there is no way Hillary Clinton won the popular vote this year because 2/3rds of the uncounted absentee ballots would have gone against her.
Cam Newton had more passing yards than Peyton Manning in the last Super Bowl. Carolina should be given the win.
That’s where we stand up and remind the Left and those on our side on the Right that is not a matter of opinion about the electoral college, it is a constitutional issue requiring a Constitutional amendment. Not enough people on the Right are saying this.
Tell as many as you can to read Article II, Section 1, Clauses 2-4 of the U.S. Constitution because the American People need to start owning and demanding the reinstatement of the Constitution as the Law of the Land against the feds and the Left.
I’m going to call about mine tomorrow. I want my vote to count.
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how did you find out?
Once again this is an oft-repeated assertion that is in dire need of documentation. I decided to research this myself issue and despite over 50 results all i can find are answers such as this:
I heard that Vote by Mail ballots are only counted if a contest is close. Is that true?
No;
All valid Vote by Mail ballots are counted. Because voters are
cautioned that Vote by Mail ballots returned to the polls on Election
Day will not be included in election night results, this has been
misunderstood to mean they are not counted at all. This rumor is likely
due to a misunderstanding of how Vote by Mail ballots must be processed.
Because signatures on Vote by Mail ballots must be verified before the
ballots can be counted, ballots received within 1-2 days prior to
Election Day may not be counted and included in semi-final results
reported election night. It may take up to one week to verify all
signatures on Vote by Mail ballots returned close to, or on, Election
Day before the votes cast can be counted and included in the final,
official results.
(http://vote.sonoma-county.org/...
I’ve heard that absentee ballots are only counted if they will affect the outcome of the election. Is this true?
No. All absentee ballots that are received on time are considered for
counting. Absentee ballots received by Election Day are counted on
Election Day. Ballots received after Election Day but before the
deadline are counted when the absentee and special voters’ precinct
board meets as long as they are postmarked the day before Election Day
or earlier. (https://sos.iowa.gov/elections...
Are special ballot counted even if they will not change the outcome of the election?
All qualified votes cast by special ballot are tabulated. (https://www.dcboee.org/faq/vot...
Myth: Absentee ballots only count in close elections.
Reality: False. Absentee ballots submitted in accordance with state laws are counted for every election. The difference is that in a close election the media reports that the outcome cannot be announced until after the absentee ballots are counted. However, all ballots are counted in the final totals for every election -- and every vote (absentee or in-person) counts the same. - https://www.army.mil/article/134530
However, the last count i saw Gary Johnson received 4,042,291, or 3.2 percent of the total vote, and . Jill Stein's total popular votes were approximately 1,200,000 as of Wednesday afternoon. Thus if most of Johnson's votes went to Trump and (if even) half of Stein's went to Clinton (as some say they would) then that would be more than Clinton's current 700,000 popular vote victory and have given Trump the popular vote victory.
And most other opinions i have read indicate that Johnson voters would have chosen Trump if their candidate was not running.
Polls show Gary Johnson taking more support from Clinton, not Trump http://hotair.com/archives/2016/08/02/polls-show-gary-johnson-taking-more-support-from-clinton-not-trump/
So for what it is worth, which is not much, this is an argument against the "most American wanted Clinton for President" assertion.
I have not yet found it to be true for any state. See post above .
I’m intellectually honest. I might be mistaken; so might you. If you were to provide some reasoning or information, you might convince me to change my mind. I would consider that a win-win. You “win” the argument. I win by learning something new.
I read today that some 7 million votes have not been counted. I’ve also read that absentee ballots usually break 2 to 1 for Republicans. I don’t know if these statements are true, but they certainly provide food for thought. They open the door to the possibility that Trump got more votes than Hillary.
I also read today an estimate that 3 million votes were cast by illegals this year. And how about the dead who vote? Strip out the bogus votes and Donald Trump almost certainly wins.
I hope this was a win-win post.
I honestly don’t know the correct answer on this topic. Also, it does not matter, as the election is decided in the electoral college.
Thanks for your research. I’m not convinced it is definitive. Your source is the Federal Government and you quote:
“All ballots submitted according to State laws are counted in every election.” That seems to be a statement about Federal actions - not State actions.
I think some questions remain. Do all States count all votes and submit updated tallies to the Federal government? Or, as the article says, do some States not bother to count absentee ballot votes for President, when it is clear that they will have no impact on the selection of Electors?
I think most people here just want to get to the bottom of this (trivial) topic.
This is simply not true. This “article” is just another unsourced blogger posting irresponsible made-up nonsense. No one should be spreading this crap by reposting it here.
Do people not realize that the President isn’t the ONLY vote appearing on a ballot? You seriously think they’re going to check ALL the races/questions on the ballot and only count the absentees if at least one of the contests is close enough? Get real.
All absentee ballots are counted if they are received on time. This is a 2012 article showing the schedule of counting:
http://www.nass.org/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=1059
Absolutely true. A campaign for popular vote would be a totally different game. Trump would’ve been spending all his time in red states drumming up turn-out instead of trying to persuade voters in swing blue states.
It’s my understanding that voting standards in CA are very loose. Strip out the bogus CA votes and Trump probably wins the popular vote too.
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