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1 posted on 10/24/2016 3:45:44 PM PDT by samovar123
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...Hillary Clinton has proclaimed that those of the Christian faith” will have to change their religious beliefs to expand abortion....

Political will cannot defeat God’s will. Even if it’s the will of our own political Bonnie and Clyde.


2 posted on 10/24/2016 3:57:55 PM PDT by Sasparilla (Hillary for Prison 2016)
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"War on Christianity"...

But, but.. SHE HAS A VAGINA AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!

3 posted on 10/24/2016 4:09:40 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing (Females DESTROYED America.)
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HilLIARy has attacked key teachings of the Church (starting with her pro-abortion stance), and she has also expressed an attitude towards Christians that can only be characterized as contemptuous, imho.

I do not see how any good decent person, including any believing Catholic (or Protestant, or Jew) could possibly vote for HilLIARy.

having said that, many people who claim to be Christian will vote for her anyway. This is why we need to get every possible DT-voter to make sure to cast his/her vote. It is very important. Is DT perfect? Absolutely not. Nobody I’ve met is perfect. But, he is the better of the two choices, better by far imho. A “Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholic Voters” published a few years ago says it better than I could,
Some things are always wrong, and no one may delib-
erately vote in favor of them. Legislators, who have a direct vote, may not support these evils in legislation or programs. Citizens support these evils indirectly if they vote in favor of candidates who propose to advance them.
Thus, to the greatest extent possible, Catholics must avoid voting for any candidate who intends to support programs or laws that are intrinsically evil. When all of the candidates endorse morally harmful policies, citizens must vote in a way that will limit the harm likely to be done.” (Catholic Answers Press of San Diego, 2012).
As you might expect, the booklet went on to list its authors’ ideas of the most intrinsically evil positions (starting with abortion). But the idea is that DT does not have to be perfect to vote for him, given HilLIARy’s positions and attitudes.

Thanks for considering.


4 posted on 10/24/2016 4:23:49 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero.)
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Just me, but whoever wrote this, needs a few lessons writing.

The paragraphs seem to have been arbitrary in how they were broken up.

Just me, but it makes it more difficult to read.

Otherwise I get the gist and agree.


5 posted on 10/24/2016 4:24:56 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a humble Christian waiting to go home)
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The current Administration and the Clintons and their supporters are so out of touch with our Constitution's own formula for freedom that they view those who advocate a return to the idea of Creator-endowed liberty to be regressive. That's the "progressive" wisdom. Now, let's examine that view.

The "media" strategy which presents "regressive" as "progressive," "backward" as "forward," and "down" as "up." On and on it goes.

It's a strategy which goes deep into the decades-long effort to "fundamentally change" America from its new and revolutionary foundations in Creator-endowed liberty backward into the Old World and later Marxian ideas of control by imaginary human grantors and protectors.

Perhaps an answer to the once-asked question here on FR: "Why does Christianity 'scare' . . . ?" may lie in the degree to which the foundation ideas upon which America's Declaration of Independence were laid and from which the concept of Creator-endowed individual liberty and the Source from which that liberty is derived have been removed from "the American mind" (Jefferson).

Perhaps the so-called "progressive" enemies of freedom understand better than those who fancy themselves as "conservatives" that in order to reverse the Founders' ideas of "People over government," and institute "government over People," they must first marginalize and destroy the ideas from which liberty is derived.

The writings of America's Founders are replete with references which rebuke would-be tyrants and cite a Higher Source for life, liberty and rights. Early histories confirm those facts.

As so-called "progressives" have led a movement in forsaking the Founders' "reliance on Divine Providence," and belief that individuals are "endowed by their Creator," they also have forsaken the principles underlying America's Constitution and Declaration of Independence, and are systematically dismantling the greatest protections for liberty ever established for a people.

"Ideas have consequences"(Weaver).

The ideas of 1776 came out of a set of ideas consistent with liberty.

We tend to forget, or have never considered, that other world views, including some prominent in today's headlines, existed then, as now.

Unless today's citizens rediscover the ideas of liberty existing in what Jefferson called "the American mind" of 1776, we risk going back to the "Old World" ideas which preceded the "Miracle of America."

There are those who call themselves "progressives," when, in fact, their ideas are regressive and enslaving, and as old as the history of civilization.

Would suggest to any who wish an authentic history of the ideas underlying American's founding a visit to this web site, at which Richard Frothingham's outstanding 1872 "History of the Rise of the Republic of the United States" can be read on line.

This 600+-page history traces the ideas which gave birth to the American founding. Throughout, Richard Frothingham, the historian, develops the idea that it is "the Christian idea of man" which allowed the philosophy underlying the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to become a reality--an idea which recognizes the individual and the Source of his/her "Creator"-endowed life, liberty and law.

Is there any wonder that the enemies of freedom, the so-called "progressives," do not promote such authentic histories of America? Their philosophy puts something called "the state," or "global interests" as being superior to individuals and requires a political elitist group to decide what role individuals are to play.

In other words, they must turn the Founders' ideas upside-down in order to achieve a common mediocrity for individuals and power for themselves.

So, the still-revolutionary idea stated by both Ryan and Romney in the 2012 campaign about the Source of our rights became fodder for the now-current President's disdain, when he declared that the ideas they were espousing were "reruns" from the 20th Century and better suited for "black and white" television. (Actually, Mr. President, those ideas were from a time much earlier than that.)

As Jefferson wisely observed:

"History, by apprising the people of the past, will enable them to judge of the future; it will avail them of the experience of other times and other nations; it will qualify them as judges of the actions and designs of men; it will enable them to know ambition under every disguise it may assume; and knowing it, to defeat its views."

All of which reinforces our conviction that the ideas of our Declaration of Independence and Constitution are as revolutionary and objectionable to tyrants as they were in 1776 and 1787!

6 posted on 10/24/2016 4:25:53 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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Be of good cheer Jesus said in the last days we will be hated in all nations.......


7 posted on 10/24/2016 4:26:02 PM PDT by stockpirate (OBAMA MUST BE ON THE PAYROLL OF THE CLINTON FOUNDATION.)
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ps: I am also concerned that HilLIARy has a hot war trigger... bombing Libya, pushing the attacks on Syria, and her attitude towards Russia seems unnecessarily war-like and hostile

imho anyway.

I am not a pacifist, and we are taught that there are such things as just wars. “Natural law” recognizes the right to fight some wars, and St. Thomas Aquinas set forth a very nice and neat summary of the types of conficts he believed fit the classification of “just wars.” Other churches (most of them, albeit not quite all) and Judaism also recognize that there are some “fighting situations” ...
BUT HilLIARy seems very procovactive towards Russia and it frankly is rather scary.....

best,
keep faith,


10 posted on 10/24/2016 4:34:34 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicians are not born. They're excreted." Marcus Tullius Cicero.)
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Criminals always are at war with anything good. Hillaryous Rotten Criminal ALERT!


11 posted on 10/24/2016 4:36:29 PM PDT by PGalt
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Any authentic Christian who votes for Hillary Clinton is asking for persecution.


13 posted on 10/24/2016 4:50:05 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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Hillary hates Christianity because it exposes her evil.


17 posted on 10/24/2016 5:39:34 PM PDT by beethovenfan (I always try to maximize my carbon footprint.)
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Obama and Hillary created ISIS for the purpose of slaughtering Christians. The latest atrocity: six men burned alive in a bakery oven, 250 children thrown into a a dough-mixing/kneading machine.

This is precisely what Hillary wants to do with Christians in the U.S. and everywhere else on earth.

Archbishop Chaput says he can’t see any difference between Trump and Hillary:

http://catholicphilly.com/2016/08/think-tank/archbishop-chaput-column/some-personal-thoughts-on-the-months-ahead/


18 posted on 10/25/2016 12:38:12 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (https://youtu.be/IYUYya6bPGw)
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