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ATF gets Black Eye for Abusive Conduct on Alaskan Highway
Gun Watch ^ | 28 May, 2016 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 06/08/2016 4:40:43 AM PDT by marktwain

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To: sig226

A traffic stop normally occurs when a law enforcement officer signals a motorist to move to the side of the roadway and stop. The stop constitutes a seizure under the Fourth Amendment because it interferes with the motorist’s freedom of movement. In order for the stop to be valid under the Fourth Amendment of the United States Constitution, the officer must point to specific and articulated facts to support a reasonable suspicion or probable cause of criminal conduct.

http://criminal.lawyers.com/traffic-violations/traffic-stops-and-roadblocks.html


41 posted on 06/09/2016 8:16:15 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: sig226

Pulling you over just for shits and giggles is a violation of your right to go about your business when you’re not doing anything wrong. It’s harassment, but I suppose a grwoing number of people are just accustomed to showing their papers and cowering in front of anyone who has a badge.

“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.”

Our Founding Fathers would be shooting by now.


42 posted on 06/09/2016 3:20:52 PM PDT by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: MeganC; marktwain

He didn’t “pull him over.” He passed him and flipped the bird. Notice how that doesn’t fit the definition of a traffic stop nor does it mean, “pulling him over.”

Have either of you ever been stopped by a cop? Did the cop speed past you and laugh after you stopped, or did he get out and ask for your license, registration, and insurance? Then did he discuss a motor vehicle infraction and give you a warning or a summons?

That’s what happens when you get pulled over. The guy in the ATF vehicle was an ass, but he did not violate anyone’s constitutional rights, nor did his conduct even approach the level of search and seizure, as well as quartering, that incited the American Revolution.

There are real violations to complain about. That guy makes us sound hysterical.


43 posted on 06/10/2016 12:39:14 AM PDT by sig226
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Of course it is a minor violation. That is noted in the article.

A minor violation is still a violation.

Whoever the driver was, he did it multiple times.

The attitude screams of arrogance and indifference, even hostility, to the rights of others.

Accepting the minor violations leads to the acceptance of major violations, rather like the “broken window theory” for law enforcement.

Are you suggesting that the incident should not be investigated, and if found to be as described, the driver should not be disciplined?


44 posted on 06/10/2016 4:39:28 AM PDT by marktwain
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Nothing I wrote suggests such a thing.


45 posted on 06/10/2016 4:27:29 PM PDT by sig226
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