U.S. Citizen Born Abroad: Consular Record “Is My Birth Certificate”

Post & Email ^ | May 2, 2016 | Sharon Rondeau

[taxcontrol]

Or it indicates a lack of awareness of the complexities of US code. Specifically, Title 8 section 1401.

[taxcontrol]

Your assertion that Cruz’s mother was not a US citizen is not in accordance with the facts on record. The facts in evidence in the public record shows that his mow WAS a US citizen. Please provide your references as to why you believe this to not be the case.

[taxcontrol]

Citizenship is not determined by the filing of paperwork. Citizenship is determined by the unchanging facts of one’s birth. There are time restrictions placed on those conditions which Cruz has met.

While there is room to argue about NBC status, there is no room to argue about Cruz being a US citizen.

[Gamecock]

True.

But many folk don’t maintain a passport their entire lives.

[Roccus]

We now have been presented with two individuals claiming eligibility to hold the office of president who are not qualified to do so. Ask yourself, is it just a coincidence that two consecutive candidates for the office of the president just happen to have foreign birth entanglements that remain unanswered? Isn't it just a little bit odd or strange that of all the natural born U.S. citizens in this country, we get stuck with two such characters back to back? Who really are these imposters that are determined to deliberately mislead Americans and cover up their backgrounds?

BOTH branches of the Uni-Party are willing to do anything in their power to destroy this nation by reducing the Constitution to irrelevance.

[Robert DeLong]

Well, you are just wrong, sorry. If his mother never filed the paperwork he is not a citizen. His father became a citizen after Ted had passed the age of 18, so his naturalization did not confer citizenship to Ted. If his mother never filed the necessary paperwork then her citizenship was not conferred upon Ted.

[xzins]

I agree. But the record of their passport exists IF it were to become an issue.

I can’t recall where, but I’ve read that Cruz used a passport while a teen to go someplace or other. I’d have to look it up again, and don’t feel like doing so, but I’m fairly confident of the memory.

Should Mom have gotten a CRBA? Sure. Is it circumstantial evidence that she probably was thinking at the time that they would stay in Canada? I think so.

But, I think so because Cruz Sr had gone to Canada in 1969, the height of Vietnam, to get away from a new draft status. He returned, curiously, in 1975 — the official end of Vietnam. And he immediately sought Canadian citizenship and he kept it for quite a while.

[infool7]

Seems to be correct check here: http://www.earlyamerica.com/milestone-events/naturalization-act-1795/

[faucetman]

I had said way, way back, here on FR, that Ted Cruz (Mr.constitutional lawyer) very well knew he was not eligible. That he was just taking advantage of the attention, publicity, and notoriety he was getting in the speculation of his candidacy for president. That when it came right down to it, he would admit that he was not eligible, because he was an honest, forthright, Christian, constitutionalist. I was certain of this.

HERE:

Dem congressman plays ‘birther’ card on Cruz (Alan Grayson hurl video)
2/21/2014, 11:49:56 AM · 16 of 39
faucetman to Seizethecarp
Democrats WILL attack Cruz with the so called “birther” issue, as everyone should. In fact HE should do the right thing and clearly state that he is not eligible to the office and will not run for it.

If he believes in the Constitution, he should stand up for it, even when it affects his career. Are you telling me that when Cruz decided to enter politics, that it never occurred to him that the fact he was born in CANADA wouldn’t someday be a problem? OF COURSE IT DID.

What is more important to him, his career or the Constitution of the United States?

We will see what kind of man he really is. I hope he doesn’t disappoint me, as I have the greatest respect for him and think he is vital in our fight to save America. This can be done from many positions, not just the oval office

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HERE

Carville: Ted Cruz Would Make Great Candidate for Conservatives
2/25/2014, 11:58:28 AM · 34 of 37
faucetman to SoConPubbie
“Carvile isn’t saying that Cruz “cannot win.” He is saying he doesn’t “think Cruz will be the nominee.”

I hope Carville is right and I think he is right. I am not convinced that Cruz will run. Cruz knows that he is ineligible to the office (BORN IN CANADA). He is using the speculation to his and our advantage as the “media” gives him a platform to advance our cause.

Cruz is GREAT, he just can’t be president (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5) or vice president (Article XII or Amendment 12, the last sentence).

He can be Senate Majority Leader or advisor to the president or any cabinet post he wants or Supreme Court Justice

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SURPRISE! It went to his head, (or was there all along). I guess he wasn’t the guy I thought he was.

That is why I stopped supporting Lyin Ted. I had thought that he was a man of “character”, only to find out he was just a slimy sleazeball like all the rest of the politicians.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT TED CRUZ IS AN ARTICLE II, NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

HE IS INELIGIBLE TO THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT.

ABOUT THIS THERE IS NO DOUBT.

The only question is... is he a U.S. citizen AT ALL? Is he even eligible to be a U.S. Senator?

WHY DOES NO ONE HAVE TO “PROVE” THEIR ELIGIBILITY TO THE HIGHEST OFFICES IN THIS COUNTRY?

[Balding_Eagle]

I don’t care about Cruz’s NBC status one tiny bit.

I can be so care-less because I know that there are many, including a lot of Democrats, who do care.

I know that they care enough to make sure there is a legal determination made in court.

They care so much that even if it takes a decade of court hearings, there will be a determination.

So I could not care less.

[Roccus]

Sorry, I posted my #65 before reading all the replies.

[Beautiful_Gracious_Skies]

Does it really matter, Ted was not born on American soil. Period. But it does matter because it illustrates the entire Cruz family’s deceit.

All three were Canadian citizens. Until they resettled back to Texas, neither parent had much allegiance to America and this American Flag. And while the preacher slipped up and spoke out about their Canadian citizenship, her lips are sealed. And Ted always misdirects and redirects the questions regarding this issue. I would love for Ted, Rafael, and Eleanor to go on record and deny that Eleanor was a Canada citizen.

Cruz has been directly questioned before in Texas on this very issue and has hidden behind his campaign staff (2nd party) to deflect the questions. There answer is that it couldn’t be possible, which is entirely false.

BTW, Eleanor would not have needed any paperwork to drive her kid across the border in the 1970’s. But, assuming she flew to Texas, Ted’s BC would have been required to fly. And whether you flew as a tourist or to repatriate to America, no one would have known the difference or really cared. They both could have entered with her old BC or Canadian DR. License and Ted’s Canadian BC, no passport was required. A forwarding mailing address would have been all she may have wanted to complete.

[higgmeister]

Ted Cruz was born in Canada to a foreign born parent which makes him ineligible to be President of the United States!

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This paper goes into great depth and detail with all the footnotes in the world regarding the ineligibility of Ted Cruz. Cruz is aware of it himself yet he is attempting to bluster his way through the theft of the Presidency.

You have to download it from SSRN Social Science Research Network.
The Natural Born Citizen Clause as Originally Understood - Mary Brigid McManamon -Widener University Delaware Law School

http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2444766

It has been said time and again that no court, not even the SCOTUS, has authority to judge the eligibility of a Presidential candidate. Only Congress can judge the eligibility of the President.

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AMENDMENT XX

Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.

Section 3.
If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President. If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

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A horrific statutory precedent would be created by the election of Ted Cruz. Suppose Cruz is nominated and elected. A few years from now a Muslim man in Saudi Arabia heavily in the oil industry takes an American wife. They travel back to the middle east and a child is born. By the flawed view that he is considered a Natural Born American, the child, raised by his father as violently anti-American but comes back here, runs a flawless campaign with lies and deceit and is elected. This candidate could not be stopped because of the precedent set by Cruz. According to their arcane rules, if a Islamic is leader of a country it must become an Islamic nation. The destruction of the United States is at hand.

Seriously, I do not think it would get that far. After the election if Ted Cruz won, the Democrat party would sue in Congress to nullify a Cruz election and it would be upheld. The GOPe would have no problem voting to stop Cruz in this way. At the last moment his NWO/CFR appeasement Vice Presidential nominee would become President. What evil webs we weave?

Yet, even before that, a Cruz nominee would face so many vehement attacks from Liberal Democrats through the campaign after the convention that the general election would be a fruitless joke.

[DiogenesLamp]

Seems to be correct check here: http://www.earlyamerica.com/milestone-events/naturalization-act-1795/

I'm familiar with the Naturalization acts of 1790 and 1795. What I was wanting was a source for that comment:

that had been mistakenly included by the clerk who transcribed it for the First US Congress according to James Madison's own words.

I don't see anything at all in your link that gives me a confirmation of that bit of information.

[Cboldt]

-- If his mother never filed the necessary paperwork then her citizenship was not conferred upon Ted. --

Assuming for the sake of argument that she didn't file a claim, failure to have the claim adjudicated does not cut off the claim. The claim comes into being and dies based on facts, and those facts can be adjudicated at any time in a person's life. CRBA via the state Department is the typical and preferred route up to the age of majority; Certificate of Citizenship (N-600) afterwards, with application going through USCIS (INS). If the claim is denied, the applicant has recourse through the courts. There are literally thousands of cases of persons born abroad of one citizen parent, who have claims adjudicated. Quite a few of those make it into the court system.

There are some interesting historical cases, and assuming Cruz meets all the statutory requirements, his citizenship would be recognized at least for purposes of holding his Senate office.

Boyd v. Nebraska ex Rel. Thayer, 143 U.S. 135 (1892)

Elected governor of Nebraska, born in the US of an immigrant, the citizenship (not NBC, just plain citizenship) of the elected governor was challenged.

[DiogenesLamp]

I do not care about Ted Cruz's eligibility.

I want that comment by Madison saying the addition of the words "natural born citizen" was a mistake caused by a clerk.

I have debated the meaning of the naturalization acts of 1790 and 1795 at least a dozen times, and that is the only bit of new information of which I have heard regarding those acts.

It is a useful piece of information if It can be verified to be true. I certainly hope it isn't something someone just made up. That happens A LOT on this topic.

[infool7]

Thanks for pointing that out. The intent of the framers seems obvious to me so I didn’t pick up on your finer point.

[walkingdead]

Thanks. Also, I see alot of people who keep saying we need a SCOTUS ruling on this. I am equally scared of that as I do not believe the courts are infallible and cannot guarantee their loyalties to the country anymore.

We really are in trouble, and Cruz was but one bullet dodged in the attack on the natural born clause and the constitution of this great country.

[walkingdead]

I see no need to appologize for post 65, heck I agree!

[Tammy8]

We also have to stop birthright citizenship in this country! Anyone born in this country is considered a citizen even if their parents are foreign and they only came here to have the baby and raise it in another country. We could face an issue where a Chinese born here raised in China by Chinese parents or from other country could run for President!