Posted on 04/16/2016 8:15:17 PM PDT by BlackFemaleArmyColonel
State conventions and caucus votes are a flawed outdated model. The problem with Colorado was not being able to have funding to hold a primary vote then the GOP there cancelling the caucus voting. In the other places with state conventions they just automatically went to that process without even trying. Cruz only won 2 primary states so far and the rest was caucuses and state conventions. He can’t win primary votes. Trump did win one cacus in Nevada and one state convention in Michigan. He is doing better in primary voting. The system is flawed. Should be just primary voting where people have an honest say.
Stop being a crybaby nothing I said about scruzerbots from Texas is wrong. Just look at their lunacy,and slavish devotion,adoration for a liar,cheater,egomaniacal goof,that took the oath to serve six years,then betrayed everyone that supported him by immediately running for President. Think about it,you are probably another fine example of just what I talked about. Get over yourself..Dry those tears...
Main thing is once you win the delegates they should be yours and not subject to manipulation. Also every state should have a primary so that everyone gets a chance to vote. if Jeb Bush was still in the contest, your guy would not be getting most of the delegates he has been getting because the tactics used to get Cruz delegates would be used to get Jeb’s slate.
Republican is a foreign communist organization.
Election 2016 is cancelled.
The new normal is Republican Communists #NeverLiberty stealing your stuff for the next 100yrs.
It doesn't work? Then why do folks still laugh at these guys?
Memo from Cruzers - No problem if his principles were falsely stated - we can change ours too if it helps him help the GOPe/NRC/Hillary campaign - Cruz or Lose (and go big with the loss)!!!!!
Trump's not the lawyer that Cruz is. I see that as a positive!
(But "like" both).
“Gooble gobble! One of us!”
A reference to a line from the classic film “Freaks” (1932), when the freak-show crowd is welcoming the (normal, non-freak) newlywed wife of their midget comrade.
I like Huckabee too, even if I disagree with some of his positions. Same with Carson. I just look with a bit of humor on those who one day are bashing a candidate (Carson is in a cult and commits malpractice!, Huckabee is a RINO!) but the next day are almost singing the praises of the person for no other reason than for getting on the Trump Train. Personally, I feel the pre-Trump hatred was overdone, and the post-Trump adulation is funny. I feel the same about the persons before and after. So this is just a bit of light mockery directed toward the phenomenon.
I’ve trotted out this one twice. It’s from and old movie “Freaks” that was cast with actual circus “freaks” who took in new “freaks” by chanting “You’re one of us, one of us, gooble gooble gooble gobble.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4uTEEOJlM
Yes, the analogy is loose and exaggerated, but it is still apt. And intended to be humorous, though not all will agree.
Exactly.
And I’m speaking as someone who will vote for Trump if he’s the nominee. He’s way better than any dem candidate. I just don’t believe he’s divine. And I know many will be disappointed when he turns out not to be.
Awwww! I love you too!
How many of you skirt the tax law by claiming every possible deduction and the a bit extra to not pay as much taxes? So now, what’s wrong with working within the rules to get every possible delegate? There is no obligation an any state to hold popular votes in primary elections for President. It ain’t in the constitution folks. Get over it!
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If it is not in the constitution to hold the popular vote then let’s just do the primaries in one hour every cycle. The party bosses elect their guy and we all save a lot of money.
Why not do it that way? It would be more honest.
You took the blue pill, now you’ll grow a weird fake looking combover.
If it is a corrupt system, it has been that way for over 250 years. And you are complaining NOW?
Look...Caucuses have been around for as long as this country has had a constitution. Nothing wrong with them. One has to be a voter in that district, county or state to cast a vote in a caucus just as in an election. So if a voter feels disenfranchised, why didn’t they go to the caucus? Let’s stop misleading the truth. Voters are LAZY in this country!
You think the exact system we have right now with the corruption has been in existence for 250 years? I’d like some sources. G. Washington warned everyone about the exact dangers of political parties in his Farewell Address in 1796, and exactly what he forewarned, has happened now. We just didn’t notice how corrupt for some time because an outsider never ran in decades. Now with an outsider, all the corruption in on display.
But the huge $, globalism and the huge power weilded by the Dems and Rs didn’t exist 200 years ago, what to speak of 250.
So they are both crooks and shysters.
The difference is that the democrats are proud of what they are.
So they are not reluctant to have their dishonesty on display to the world at every opportunity.
The republicans still have a faint recollection of right vs. wrong and are ashamed of what they are.
So they have become fairly adept at pretending they are honest and virtuous while skinning us alive.
I’m 100% for Trump, but I think Cruz is mostly innocent, as are Huckabee and the other candidates you listed.
Cruz is not deliberately conspiring with the GOPe. He sincerely believes (wants to believe) that the support he is getting from delegates in places like Colorado is the real deal. He’s dead wrong - they are GOPe operatives who’s marching orders are to throw in with Cruz to block Trump from reaching 1237.
Personally, I can imagine how tempting it is for Cruz to believe that he still has a shot at POTUS, and to embrace this appearance of delegate support in places like Colorado. The worst you can say about him is that he has allowed himself to be used as a pawn in someone else’s game. For a supposedly smart guy, he should have known better, but he’s not evil.
I’ll say the same about Cruz’s supporters and campaign operatives. I don’t think they are sneaky, underhanded or dishonest. I don’t think Cruz operatives are being dispatched state to stare, cultivating sophisticated ground games, out organizing and outsmarting the other candidates.
The ones doing the evil, sneaky stuff are GOPe operatives that have been in place the whole time. I suspect the Cruz people are pleasantly surprised each time another handful of delegates throws in with Cruz. I don’t blame them for being glad their guy picked up some delegates. Heck, they want him to win.
I bet that within two weeks Cruz will give up the ghost, suspend his campaign and say something like this to his supporters:
“Donald and I have certainly had our differences, but we do agree on one thing; Hillary Clinton must be stopped! As Ronald Reagan used to say...”
So you think an outsider with no specific conservative policy statements and values is going to change the GOP? I’m not saying it doest need changing, but the voting processes everyone is whining about take constitutional changes. If you want that, then get on your STATE legislatures to pass a convention of states request.
this election cycle is truly stranger than fiction. I am not particularly angry at Cruz for his campaign's latest tactics. He has hired the sneakiest bunch of insiders to run his campaign, but none of it would actually be effective if the establishment wasn't using Cruz as a tool in a blatant attempt to deny Trump delegates. This isn't exactly Cruz taking “advantage of the system”; more accurately it is the system using Cruz in a blatant attempt to deny Trump delegates.
I understand that Cruz is attempting to create a sense of momentum by bragging about his “victories”. But I think his “eleven victories” in a row comment referring to districts in Wyoming and Colorado hurt him. It was meant to be spin to influence the uninformed but it played right into the “Lyin’ Ted” narrative, and I think he wounded himself.
Caucuses are easily manipulated by party insiders, but the blatant manipulation is in the “conventions” like those that took place in Wyoming and Colorado. These were examples of shameless behavior by the establishment in those states. Instead of embracing and even bragging about his success in those states Cruz probably would have been better off minimizing and distancing himself from those contests.
I think that it would be completely accurate to say that the events we have been witnessing are unprecedented in modern times. It has certainly been an eye opener. I have always assumed that our side was more honest and honorable than the other side. I have been active in the political process locally as have many others have here and have seen many dirty tactics over the years. But this contest has been an eye opener. Our party has been completely infiltrated by people with no moral compass. The tactics being used are a mistake, whatever claims we had about being more "moral" than the other side have clearly been dashed. I know many others like myself who have voted a straight Republican ticket all of our lives who are now feeling like bolting from the party. We of course will not go to the Democrats, but this immorality is going to leave conservatives fragmented and easy pray. Once again Republicans are "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory". We have an historic opportunity to have both houses of Congress, the presidency, even an opportunity to change the make-up of the Supreme Court and most importantly a chance to change the trajectory of this great nation. Instead we are watching hundreds of millions of dollars and outright cheating being used to defeat the one person in a generation who has the best chance to actually lead us to victory. Ted Cruz doesn't have a wide enough base, charisma, experience, or even a true record of accomplishments. He is just a Bush administration opportunist attorney who no one could get along with who got lucky in a senate race. He is a 46 year old attorney and first term senator born out of the country with a foreign dad and a mother who was born here but had chosen to live abroad; now where have we heard that one before?
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