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Trump And Sanders Are Spreading Bull About China
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 03/17/2016 | John Merline

Posted on 03/18/2016 4:29:31 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

Leading GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump has made it clear that, when it comes to China, he’s very much in sync with socialist Democrat Bernie Sanders. [snip]

But no matter, since they’re both wrong, as an in-depth piece in the New Yorker makes pretty clear.

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


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To: central_va
The USA lost 12 million factory jobs in the last 15 years. During that time 55,000 factories closed to be reopened in the turd world. A 100,000 is nothing.

You let a little thing like that bother you. The real problem with America is what Trump said about Rosie O'Donnell.

21 posted on 03/18/2016 4:59:44 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: 11th Commandment
Fact- the problem with China's currency is not they are devaluing it, but they are propping it up. Meaning, China's economy is structurally flawed that if the Renminbi was floated, it would collapse.

I've been saying this for years. It's funny how different your perspective is once you've done business in other countries.

China relies so heavily on foreign trade because they have to do business in other currencies. Their own currency is worthless, for all intents and purposes.

22 posted on 03/18/2016 5:01:20 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: VitacoreVision
Trump is Correct About TPP and China

Yeah, he agrees.  Both China and Trump hate the TPP.  imho China, Trump, and Sanders are wrong.

23 posted on 03/18/2016 5:01:29 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: IBD editorial writer
Of the 5.7 million manufacturing jobs lost in the US since 2001, 2.7 million have been lost to China.

Job Losses to China

So what if some jobs are coming back. Our manufacturing sector had been decimated. The magazine obviously likes the cheap slave labor. To the contrary, it appears that both Trump and Sanders are right on this issue.

24 posted on 03/18/2016 5:03:52 AM PDT by stratboy
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To: FourtySeven
See the previous comment from 11th Commandment. China's currency manipulation involves propping it up, not "devaluing" it.

And it's worth noting that with QE1, QE2, QE3, etc. -- the U.S. is no different than anyone else when it comes to manipulating its currency value.

25 posted on 03/18/2016 5:04:17 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: IBD editorial writer
Your fine. The stockmarket's fine. All's fine. Yeeh we screwed the middle class, but it's going to get better. Give us a chance.

Give it up man. Your done.

26 posted on 03/18/2016 5:05:41 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: expat_panama

China will eventually join the TPP.

Secretary John Kerry Invites Russia and China into TPP
http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/21891-secretary-john-kerry-invites-russia-and-china-into-tpp

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expat_panama: Yeah, he agrees. Both China and Trump hate the TPP. imho China, Trump, and Sanders are wrong.
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27 posted on 03/18/2016 5:06:53 AM PDT by VitacoreVision
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To: IBD editorial writer

It might have helped your case if the guys you were supporting weren’t the uniparty sell-out American crowd. Your better strategy would have been to stay out of it, realize DC needs drastic reformation to save the American economy and weigh in on issues where you had something to say. But no, you had to throw your lot in with the sell-out crowd. I don’t get it. But there you go.


28 posted on 03/18/2016 5:08:44 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: PIF

Excellent — but sobering — post.


29 posted on 03/18/2016 5:08:47 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Sometimes I feel like I've been tied to the whipping post.")
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To: PIF
China is destroying the USA .Trump is right

What you say is pure liberal media lies.

Anyone can learn 100% of what the government schools are supposed to be teaching but instead only teach nothing but socialist indoctrination. With Google , the Internet ,Youtube anyone can learn this .

Anyone can learn 90% of job skills with youtube , Google , the Internet.

Robots are coming. Your attempt to say like Cruz that we need to import H1B visas is pure lies. They are just more voters for socialism . Why would a conservative be for bringing in immigrants which vote for socialism? Right you nor Cruz are conservative but marxists.

30 posted on 03/18/2016 5:17:29 AM PDT by Democrat_media ( Only Trump will stop TPP and China and the sociaProof that Cruzlist illegals' invasion of the USA!)
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To: PIF
China is destroying the USA .Trump is right

What you say is pure liberal media lies.

Anyone can learn 100% of what the government schools are supposed to be teaching but instead only teach nothing but socialist indoctrination. With Google , the Internet ,Youtube anyone can learn this .

Anyone can learn 90% of job skills with youtube , Google , the Internet.

Robots are coming. Your attempt to say like Cruz that we need to import H1B visas is pure lies. They are just more voters for socialism . Why would a conservative be for bringing in immigrants which vote for socialism? Right you nor Cruz are conservative but marxists.

31 posted on 03/18/2016 5:18:06 AM PDT by Democrat_media ( Only Trump will stop TPP and China and the sociaProof that Cruzlist illegals' invasion of the USA!)
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To: PIF
China is destroying the USA .Trump is right

What you say is pure liberal media lies.

Anyone can learn 100% of what the government schools are supposed to be teaching but instead only teach nothing but socialist indoctrination. With Google , the Internet ,Youtube anyone can learn this .

Anyone can learn 90% of job skills with youtube , Google , the Internet.

Robots are coming. Your attempt to say like Cruz that we need to import H1B visas is pure lies. They are just more voters for socialism . Why would a conservative be for bringing in immigrants which vote for socialism? Right you nor Cruz are NOT conservative but marxists.

32 posted on 03/18/2016 5:18:28 AM PDT by Democrat_media ( Only Trump will stop TPP and China and the sociaProof that Cruzlist illegals' invasion of the USA!)
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To: Democrat_media

The educational system is run by the liberals/Democrats so what lie are you imagining? Obviously you have not gone out into the real world in a long time if you imagine US kids are being educated to the same degree as kids in high educational achievement countries.

You are just upset that I said your idol DJT cannot wave a wand and change the system.

And if you imagine youtube or google supply anything remotely educational you have been shut in far too long.

The problem seems to lie in your educational background - specifically your reading skills - I never said that we need to import more H1B people but exactly the contrary. If you imagine I’m some sort of Marxist - well have you even read Marx? I’ll wager you never read any political philosopher let alone Marx or Hegal.

Cruz can go jump in the same lake as your idol for all I care.

Enough of the ad hominums please.


33 posted on 03/18/2016 5:27:35 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: IBD editorial writer
China has been described as about the same as the US, but with one exception. It has roughly the same land mass, economy, middle class, and transportation. The exception? It's got another billion peasants.

In a recent train ride through China, I was struck by the thousands upon thousands of tiny odd shaped pieces of land across the countryside. These pieces were usually all smaller than my front yard. In each and every one, there would be a peasant, usually wearing what we call a coolie hat, working hard, diligently tilling his meager plot - all with hand tools. These subsistent farmers knew that every calorie stolen by a weed or bird meant one less calorie to sustain his family. Each longed for the pennies per hour factory job in the city, because that likely meant a 200 square foot apartment and a more steady food supply.

Now contrast that with the US welfare peasants. Their biggest problem is obesity and maybe an unreliable cable connection. Which would you rather hire?

34 posted on 03/18/2016 5:29:27 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age did not end because we ran out of stones)
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To: IBD editorial writer

I can’t verify all of those timelines without doing further research but can agree that today’s manufacturing floor looks much different than those of long ago when I started back in the 70’s, where I was able to start nearly right out of high school, soldering circuit boards and worked my way up from there. We had on the job training and classes. Even then, factory automation was coming on line. Forming components dropped out, wave soldering replaced hand soldering (left for rework and engineering change-driven hand work) I’ve read the article and can agree with the ‘lean-driven’ shop floors of today. But we also started that back in the 70’s, with Quality Circles (called six sigma these days but the improvement tools are essentially the same). While I’m happy to see Appliance Park in Kentucky doing well, the larger electronics industry has been left in the dust here in the U.S.

Tech schools and schooling. Tech school (in lieu of High school) back in my day largely consisted of auto repair for boys and hairdressing for girls. ITT back then taught electronics testing and was and is still expensive.

Drafting is essentially an art lost to technology, as is printing unless you are skilled in Auto-Cad, 3-D modeling, 3-D printing, etc. Training the industrial workers of today and tomorrow has to include computer skills to run these machines, along with the basic and fundamental skills. That holds true for electronics or machining (need CNC) Agree wholeheartedly with the observations on apprenticeships and teaming new workers with skilled experts from the old school. I’ve lamented that in the past as well but was fortunate enough myself to find them. I could go on but will leave it at that for now. Good article.


35 posted on 03/18/2016 5:29:53 AM PDT by SueRae (An election like no other..)
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To: PIF
"Only then can the US achieve a workforce educated enough to compete without massive importation of H1Bs from other countries."

Ha Ha !

anyone that works in the IT industry can tell you how "educated" these "can't speak a word of discernible english" H1B workers are and just how qualified they are for IT positions. Let me sum it up for you.

THEY SUCK !

36 posted on 03/18/2016 5:36:44 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: IBD editorial writer

A small amount of “reshoring “ of US jobs from China is a drop in the bucket compared to more than thirty years of moving US jobs to take advantage of cheap labor in China and elsewhere.

BS article. Trump is right.


37 posted on 03/18/2016 5:38:15 AM PDT by Will88
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To: IBD editorial writer

This article just proves that the IBD really leans left, and is part of the cabal.


38 posted on 03/18/2016 5:39:32 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: precisionshootist

Jezz another person that has poor reading comprehension skills. Notice the word ‘without’? I just said we do not need them if we have an educated work force of which you do not seem to be a member.


39 posted on 03/18/2016 5:43:18 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: 11th Commandment

FACT- China has avoided a repeat of the Cultural Revolution by finding jobs for its youth at the expense of jobs for our own youth.


40 posted on 03/18/2016 5:47:22 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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