Bad analogy.
Just because China declares that someone on the other side of the world is suddenly a Chinese citizen, it doesn’t mean anything at all to that US citizen.
Cruz’s situation is different.
A baby is born in Canada. With just that information alone, the US government has no interest at all. So what? A baby is born in Canada. Big Whoop.
BUT if the parents of that baby have grounds, and the desire, to declare that baby as a US citizen, then they do have to do paperwork at the US consulate. If they do not do that, how is the US government to know or care about that particular baby?
So, if at birth Cruz was a US citizen, it had to be noted somewhere in some official document. And Cruz has never produced a Consulate Record of Birth. Does he have one?
Without a Consulate Record of Birth, the US government has no way of knowing he exists. A claim of citizenship in the US then becomes difficult to pursue.
It really is a serious question, and it deserves a serious answer.
Let me tell you if this is true the democrats will crucify Cruz if he is nominated with this.
No registration at any Consulate is required. One parent was a NBC and the other was a Legal USA Resident that happened to be temporarily in Canada.
Anyone who really believes this tripe, needs to put their money where their mouth is and file the suit. Otherwise STFU.
Huh? He was natural born via his moms US citizen.
Who cares about what Canada says. Same way you dont care what china says.
Yes it does. My son is a citizen because I declared him so at birth and got a certificate of live birth from the State Department. Otherwise and forever, he would be a German citizen.
“It really is a serious question, and it deserves a serious answer.”
Agree.
Just because China declares that someone on the other side of the world is suddenly a Chinese citizen, it doesn’t mean anything at all to that US citizen.
Cruz’s situation is different.
A baby is born in Canada. With just that information alone, the US government has no interest at all. So what? A baby is born in Canada. Big Whoop.
BUT if the parents of that baby have grounds, and the desire, to declare that baby as a US citizen, then they do have to do paperwork at the US consulate. If they do not do that, how is the US government to know or care about that particular baby?
So, if at birth Cruz was a US citizen, it had to be noted somewhere in some official document. And Cruz has never produced a Consulate Record of Birth. Does he have one?
Without a Consulate Record of Birth, the US government has no way of knowing he exists. A claim of citizenship in the US then becomes difficult to pursue.
It really is a serious question, and it deserves a serious answer.
Finally, a common sense explanation of the circumstances surrounding Raphael’s birth in Canada.
Easy to comprehend by even the most rabid Cruz supporter.
Well done!....(Touching the brim of my hat).
[[So, if at birth Cruz was a US citizen, it had to be noted somewhere in some official document. And Cruz has never produced a Consulate Record of Birth. Does he have one?]]
Doesn’t need one- His mother was a sovereign citizen of the US- that is enough- the following is a post of mine from another thread on this very topic
some people are making the claim that any kind of citizenship which involves a ‘statute’ means the person is naturalized, but this simply isn’t true- congress was given power to make laws regarding naturalizing aliens, but it was also given the power to define who doesn’t need to be naturalized as well- and based on the laws of common descent/natural law, they determined that because citizenship passes from a sovereign citizen to their child, that one parent sovereign us citizen is enough for this natural law to apply, with some exceptions, mainly having to do with the child establishing a bond with the us citizen parent- this is why we see the exception of 1409 which was a law regarding unwed parents, and where a father had to meet certain requirements in order to basically prove a dna connection and or bond with the child-
While a child is a minor, their allegiance is the same as their parent’s it descends from their parent- when the child comes of age, they can choose their own allegiance (expatriate themselves through a process) if they so choose to or remain a US citizen, but until then their allegiance is that of their us sovereign parent
Some folks make the claim that if a person has to apply for a CRBA in order to travel out of the country, then they can’t be a citizen- and must be naturalized- however that is not what the usicis site says on the matter- they state
[[ D. Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600)
A person born abroad who acquires U.S. citizenship at birth is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS.]]
It further states that just because someone doesn’t file for CoC, (form N-600) doesn’t mean they aren’t a full citizen, it infact states that they do not have to go through a naturalization process
[[A person born abroad who acquires a U.S. citizenship at birth is not required to file an Application for Certificate of Citizenship (Form N-600). A person who seeks documentation of such status, however, must submit an application to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship from USCIS. A person may also apply for a U.S. Passport with the Department of State to serve as evidence of his or her U.S. citizenship.
A person who is at least 18 years of age may submit the Application for Certificate of Citizenship on his or her own behalf. If the application is for a child who has not reached 18 years of age, the child’s U.S. citizen parent or legal guardian must submit the application.]]
https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html
Notice at the end it states it is only to serve as further evidence of citizenship- there is nothing that states that in order to be a citizen, one must have this form
Also, [[In addition, in 2000, Congress granted automatic citizenship to most minor children of American parents who were adopted from abroad; previously such adopted children needed to be naturalized.]]]]
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/citizen.aspx#2
you’ll note that adopted children do not have to be naturalized any longer- (but still people will try to make the argument that previously they had to be, and now they don’t because of a statute, and anytime there is a statute it means it is a process of law, and not natural- in essence, they don’t accept the law as it stands regarding citizenship)