Posted on 02/10/2016 8:13:15 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007
Those do not have standing. Trump is such a bad ass he should do it himself because he could make the case in court he has standing. Otherwise he needs to shut up.
If the Constitution said this, you'd have a point.
According to you, words not defined within the constitution have no meaning, that original intent doesn't matter, so you actually can't tell me what the Constitution says or doesn't say at all!
“The Trump people have to try to obfuscate”
Talk about the pot and kettle. You’re response is to attack the messenger while ignoring the very real message.
Taco boy was an anchor baby with neither parent a citizen. We will see if the courts determine the voter filing the suit has standing.
I personally wish it would be determined once and for all just to shut up the trumpanzees.
The Constitution mentions 2 types of citizens, Natural Born and naturalized. There is no mention of a third type, naturalized at birth by Congress.
Try again?
As a practical matter, one has to have documentation proving citizenship to do things like enroll in school or be issued documents such as a Texas Driver’s License. It is not enough to say you are a citizen and your birthday is X. You have to provide proof, which is what the CRBA or US passport does. I had to produce my CRBA to join the military and get my US passport. I had to show my passport and my wife had to show her Green Card the first time we got Texas Drivers Licenses. I assume Cruz had a Texas DL and a US passport. He should have had to provide either a US passport, CRBA or a Certificate of Citizenship to get those documents.
/yawn. Though we can easily claim Winston Churchill as an American, he was English and the UK give a flying fig leaf what we have to say about it.
We are not ruled by Canadian law.
f. The Form FS-240 is not a birth certificate, such as is issued by a government- authorized bureau or office of vital statistics, because consular officers are not authorized to assume a foreign local or state vital statistics function. The Form FS-240 is a consular declaration of the fact of acquisition of U.S. citizenship at birth based upon:(1) The certification of, or attestation to, the facts of birth by a legally authorized local official in the place where the birth occurred; ... [items (2)- (6) follow]
-- ... got a certificate of live birth from the State Department. --
ROTFL.
I would be interested to see when his American citizenship was documented. It might have been at birth, or soon thereafter, or it might have been four years later, when they returned to the states.
But Ted Cruz is DEFINITELY American. He has a legit social security number, a passport, etc.
It matters not one whit what laws Canada had about not recognizing dual citizenship. If they considered him a citizen at birth, and didn’t know he was also American or entities to be American, it ceased to matter after four years, anyway. THE USA DIDNT RECOGNIZE HIM AS CANADIAN once he was officially American. It’s all about what the laws are in this country.
To make it absurd, Russia could say that everyone who has ever said dass vedanya is officially a Russian citizen. That doesn’t affect one’s USA citizenship in any way. We don’t care. Mexico could make everyone who likes tacos a Mezican citizen. The USA doesn’t give a rat’s patoot.
It is ridiculous to talk about Ted Cruz not being a citizen of the US. There is no evidence he isn’t. He is. Barack Obama is another story. He couldn’t get a SS number. He had to forge both birth certificate and selective service paper. He never had a USA passport until the Senate mysteriously conferred one upon him. Then his files were tampered with, and someone died over it. He lived in foreign student housing at Occidental.
Most likely, with all that smoke, there is fire: most likely Barack Obama, our current President, was not a full citizen of the United States.
Ted Cruz was eligible to be a USA citizen from birth. It depends on when his parents applied, I suppose.
Just like they would attack the angry old white Republican who personifies the “1%”
Their tactics are transparent and tired. The fact that so many here on FR imitate them is sad. It also shows whom they truly admire.
“Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery”
They have seen a president act as king and they want to choose the next king.
It is logically necessary. Congress, constitutionally, only has power to create laws regarding naturalization. Therefore if Congress makes a law granting citizenship at birth, then they are naturalized at birth. A natural born citizen does not need statute to make him what he is. He is born an American. If Cruz has to receive citizenship via the law, he is not a natural born citizen:
"We know exactly what the founders meant by the phrase "natural-born citizen because they adapted it from the English legal term, natural born subject, which in Britain defined who could serve in Parliament or the Privy Council. Essentially, a natural-born citizen was one who met either one of two requirements. First, a person qualified if born within the United States or within American territory, even if the person's parents were aliens. Alternatively, an individual qualified even if born outside the country if the individual's father was an American citizen not then engaged in traitorous or felonious activities.
On at least two occasions the Supreme Court has confirmed that in citizenship matters the Constitution should be read to incorporate principles inherited from Great Britain."
More here from Professor Natelson: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3383198/posts
FYI, look up the name of acts used to grant citizenship to people born outside the country. They're called "Naturalization Acts."
The US wouldn't even know that the person existed! The US doesn't know of the existence until the person shows up and makes a claim of US citizenship. This presentation can happen at any time in the life of the person. If they never present the claim, the US never recognizes them as a citizen.
14th amendment.
Yes and if the claim is made after they are an adult, a different form called a certificate of citizenship is issued but it serves the same purpose of documenting citizenship.
Why is Cruz not being completely transparent about this? He should show exactly what his status was at birth and what it is now? Don’t we expect transparency from our officials.
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