Posted on 02/01/2016 12:21:23 PM PST by juliosevero
Here is the missing “s”.
“Then you have nothing save arrogance.”
Thanks for proving my point - “So, if I were to post this title: Gerd Schwerhoff’s Die Inquisition: Ketzerverfolgung in Mittelalter und Neuzeit, it effectively means nothing to you either way. So what exactly is the point?”
It means nothing to you, right? How then can you be competent to pass judgment?
“I did mine on the Mystery Religions. A Catholic on my committee would not let me include catholiciism ... but it belong in the category.”
No, your committee member was right. They are there to keep the student from making a mistake and looking foolish. You could still use one even now.
You really cannot help yourself, can you !
“You really cannot help yourself, can you !”
Oh, but I can while you’re the one who just admitted you had such a bad idea you’re committee wouldn’t let you pursue it.
"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?... And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?... Do you not know that we shall judge angels?... How much more, things that pertain to this life?.. If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge ? (1 Corinthians 6:1-5).
Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment.
"But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6).
"And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15).
"Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5).
"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).
All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.
We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so.
"Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment." (John 7:24).
Did you take catholic lessons in haughty, or did it come naturally?
The Influence of MithraismMithraism is perhaps the greatest example of paganism's last effort to reconcile itself to the great spiritual movement which was gaining such sturdy influence with its purer conception of God.\[Footnote:] Dill, Roman Society From Nero to Marcus Aurelius, p. 585.\ Ernest Renan, the French philosopher and Orientalist, expressed the opinion that Mithraism would have been the religion of the modern world if anything had occured to halt or destroy the growth of Christianity in the early centuries of its existence. All this goes to show how important Mithraism was in ancient times. It was suppressed by the Christians sometime in the latter part of the fourth century A.D.; but its collapse seems to have been due to the fact that by that time many of its doctrines and practices had been adopted by the church, so that it was practically absorbed by its rival. 31 [ https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/influence-mystery-religions-christianity ]
Dr King was too much the gentleman to asseret what I am about to offer, so let's not attribute this to him.
Catholiciism as it exists toady is noit Christianity, given the heavy inveigling of mystery cults found throughout the catholic sacramental practicesa nd catholic dogma. The Mother Goddess imagery is evoked heavily with Mariology. The striving to eventually achieve salvation by following the ritual path, the priesthood embued with powers to manipulate the god for consumption at catholic aptars, thesecrecy hallmarking the hierarchy, and the use of statuary to evoke emotional spikes in adherents, all are found as characteristics of mystery cults of the early Christian epoch.
I have no doubt that satan, not having perfect vision of the Christ and the future of the Ekklesia of Jesus, fashioned many cults to divert minds away from The Grace of God in Christ, away from the truth given by Jesus that one must be born from above to be 'Savesd', that the Life of God is placed in the spirit of the newly born from above as the spark of The Holy Spirit. Catholiciism has moved from these fundamentals to a system empowering the cult of Vatican rule, removing the Truth that Salvation happens in the now and is then the Responsibility of God not the failing human 'striver'. Adding such artidfacts as Mariology and all the mediatrix mythology therein, to move the mind away from going directly to God through the one mediator, Jesus Christ, and over to a mythological being called the Mother of God in Catholiciism. The catholic cult empowers itself through the deceit that one can so easily have then lose then have to strive through the catholic sacramental trail. This was the renewal mythology of the mystery cults, the 'Mystery Religions', writ large on catholic dogma.
It is not surprising to find that a catholic trained mind cannot allow even a degree of consideration that the religion of Catholiciism is not Christianity, but a look-alike cult fashioned from aspects of the mystery cults which were competing for hearts during the first century or two following Christ's resurrection.
Sorry about the typos, there are many distractions around me presently.
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In his paper, Dr King makes the same mistake of conflating The Chruch, the spiritual body of Christ, with the catholic institution. But it was that growing in power institution which incorporated so many characteristics of the mystery cults.
Now, now MHGinTN!
You know the “Mother Church” simply cared for these pagans and wanted to be culturally relevant.
So they “REDEEMED” all the pagan practices so they’d feel at home.
Statues, pictures, rituals, goddesses, powerful saints. It was all for a very good cause!!!
It ended up “enhancing” Christianity. /s
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Religion dies hard, as do works.
If you could produce 40 “popes” that all testified that they stole these things from pagans, how many Catholics today do you think would reject them?
I’d guess pretty close to none. They would fight to justify their life experiences and deeply cherished beliefs. It is the human condition.
May they all come to know Christ alone for salvation.
If they can’t see the Mary worship in catholicism they will not understand this.
‘They’ have been indoctrinated to believe their worship practice toward the mary of catholiciism is not worship. It isn’t even possible to get ‘them’ to see how they are practicing the same ritualism with mary that they have been taught to use with Christ and the worship at the Mass. How much does it take to re-teach a child who believes blue is green and green is blue?
“Did you take catholic lessons in haughty, or did it come naturally?”
Did you take the anti-Catholic lessons in ignorance, or did it come naturally?
First you told me about the incredible error you made of considering the Catholic faith a “Mystery Religion”. And why exactly would you say that to a Catholic anyway? What would go through a person’s mind to think - I would assume - that it is a good idea to share such an obviously erroneous idea? And you can’t see the haughtiness of that action (i.e. saying that to a Catholic)? And then you tell me you had a committee member who saved you from your mistake. And you expect no one to say anything in reply?
Clearly you should give that committee member a call and ask for advice. It’s not haughtiness to say that. It’s just common sense.
Having studied the Mystery religions/cults and the rise of catholiciism, it is my opinion that there is strong correlation. That is not a notion in isolation. There are several scholars who hold that view, also. Those particular scholars have written extensively on the Mystery Religions and a few on the parallels and amalgamations of same into catholiciism. With the advent of Mariology in the past few hundred years, the similarities are now glaring. The notion that an adherents eats the god, consuming the god in mystical fashion (transubstantiation anyone?) to get the power of the god for forgiveness and righteousness, is very like the mystery religions. of course Jesus taught His disicples to break the bread and drink the Passover wine IN REMEMBRANCE of what He was about to accomplish on the cross the next day, but a blinded catholic cannot comprehend that once they are taught they eat the literal body, blood, soul, and DIVINITY of the jesus of catholiciism, served up to them by a ‘priestly class’ of the cult empowered.
Obama has given us more about his academic background than you.
One of the requirements on these threads is documentation.
When asked for it all you have provided are arrogant and condescending replies There is zero reason for any of us to believe anything you claim.
“Having studied the Mystery religions/cults and the rise of catholiciism, it is my opinion that there is strong correlation.”
And yet you were overruled by your committee - who possess greater expertise than you do undoubtedly.
“That is not a notion in isolation. There are several scholars who hold that view, also. Those particular scholars have written extensively on the Mystery Religions and a few on the parallels and amalgamations of same into catholiciism.”
Most likely the “particular scholars” you’re referring to are making the mistake of concluding there is an association based upon superficial similarities. That proves nothing.
“With the advent of Mariology in the past few hundred years, the similarities are now glaring.”
Except Mariology has always been there.
“The notion that an adherents eats the god, consuming the god in mystical fashion (transubstantiation anyone?) to get the power of the god for forgiveness and righteousness, is very like the mystery religions.”
Again, superficial similarities. The Real Presence is clearly in scripture - as was recognized by even many early Protestants. So you’ve given nothing.
“of course Jesus taught His disicples to break the bread and drink the Passover wine IN REMEMBRANCE of what He was about to accomplish on the cross the next day,”
But it clearly was not merely about remembrance. If it were, then St. Paul’s admonition in 1 Corinthians 11:29 would be unnecessary. So you’ve give us nothing.
“but a blinded catholic cannot comprehend that once they are taught they eat the literal body, blood, soul, and DIVINITY of the jesus of catholiciism, served up to them by a ‘priestly class’ of the cult empowered.”
So Lutherans must also be “blinded” since they too believe Jesus is REALLY present in the Eucharist, right? AND YET THEY’RE PROTESTANTS WHO BELIEVE IN SOLA SCRIPTURA. And many Anglicans are also blinded, right? And Eastern Orthodox are also blinded, right? And the Oriental Orthodox (non-Chalcedonian) are also blinded, right? See the mistakes you make when you don’t have a committee to save you?
http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/3580/is_catholicism_the_babylon_mystery_religion.aspx
23For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me.â€
25In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.â€
26For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
27Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. 28But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
30For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep. 31But if we judged ourselves rightly, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged, we are disciplined by the Lord so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
33So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34If anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, so that you will not come together for judgment. The remaining matters I will arrange when I come.
If what we were made for is eternal life, life beyond the world, that theme will show up in the wishes of many. If love in this world is intrinsically bound with life in the next, then it is to be expected that in, say, Mahayana Buddhism compassionate suffering for others replaces the abstraction of Nirvana as the perfection of wisdom.
The gentiles, or some of them, have what Lewis called “good dreams.” Without the gifts of Faith and Revelation, and of other graces, of course they go wrong. Even groups which profess Christ can go dreadfully wrong.
Spring itself is a reflection of the Resurrection. Though wonderful, it's just a provisional and ultimately false promise without THE Resurrection to, so to speak, back it up.
This seems to be a persistent controversy, from Justin and Tertullian through (as I see it) the Iconoclastic controversy, through the Puritans and down to the present day. I stand with John of Damascus and the idea of a perfection which transforms the imperfect and clouded reflections.
Note how John plays with nature religion and even with the Exodus as he presents the Resurrection as the fulfillment of their promises”
1. Come, ye faithful, raise the strain
of triumphant gladness;
God hath brought forth Israel
into joy from sadness;
loosed from Pharaoh's bitter yoke
Jacob's sons and daughters,
led them with unmoistened foot
through the Red Sea waters.
2. ‘Tis the spring of souls today;
Christ hath burst his prison,
and from three days’ sleep in death
as a sun hath risen;
all the winter of our sins,
long and dark, is flying
from his light, to whom we give
laud and praise undying.
3. Now the queen of seasons, bright
with the day of splendor,
with the royal feast of feasts,
comes its joy to render;
comes to glad Jerusalem,
who with true affection
welcomes in unwearied strains
Jesus’ resurrection.
4. Neither might the gates of death,
nor the tomb's dark portal,
nor the watchers, nor the seal
hold thee as a mortal;
but today amidst the twelve
thou didst stand, bestowing
that thy peace which evermore
passeth human knowing.
5. “Alleluia!” now we cry
to our King immortal,
who, triumphant, burst the bars
of the tomb's dark portal;
“Alleluia!” with the Son,
God the Father praising,
“Alleluia!” yet again
to the Spirit raising.
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