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One man's humble observation. Progress is NOT possible with "progressives" in charge!
1 posted on 01/31/2016 7:46:54 AM PST by FiddlePig
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To: FiddlePig

That’s exactly what it is.

Feudalism makes a comeback.

Wanna eat? Pay the government grazing fees. The Overlords in Washington demand the money for themselves.

Feudalism and Communism are the same things: state ownership of the means of production.

Both alive and well in “modern” America.


2 posted on 01/31/2016 7:53:10 AM PST by Regulator
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To: FiddlePig
With a little bit of Sand Creek thrown in....

Massacre, Mistrust, and Misery

This article is part of a series by the National Park Service concerning the 150th Anniversary of the Sand Creek Massacre.

The killing of around 200 Cheyenne and Arapaho at the Sand Creek Massacre created intense mistrust and influenced most subsequent conflicts between American Indians and the U.S. Army. The Plains Indian Wars escalated even as the military investigated the incident, congressional committees questioned participants, and the Federal Government admitted its responsibility.

The Treaty of the Little Arkansas in October 1865 acknowledged U. S. blame for the massacre, but it also extinguished Cheyenne and Arapaho rights to land titles in Colorado. This treaty echoed the words of the Congressional Committee on the Conduct of the War, "It is difficult to believe that beings in the form of men and disgracing the uniform of United States soldiers and officers, could commit or countenance… such acts of cruelty and barbarity."

By eliminating most of the Cheyenne peace chiefs, the massacre hardened resistance to white expansion and intensified warfare between the U.S. Army and many plains tribes. These wars would continue for another thirteen years after the massacre. The massacre also disrupted the social, political, economic and traditional structure of the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes, particularly as they moved or were forced onto reservations outside of Colorado.

4 posted on 01/31/2016 7:56:48 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: FiddlePig
The western rancher is to be removed, the open lands to become essentially "museums" (left to "nature") with limited and controlled access.

And claims to the national resources contained within sold to foreign governments for campaign contributions.

Intellihub/Agenda21Radio.com: Clinton Foundation took massive payoffs, promised Hammond Ranch and other publicly owned lands to Russians along with one-fifth of our uranium ore

5 posted on 01/31/2016 8:00:23 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: FiddlePig

I watched the slo-mo enhanced video. It looked distressingly like an execution. Those killers should stand trial at the location.

Every square inch of federal land should be turned over to the states.

I’ve explored ancient Anasazi ruins in Southern Utah, on blm land. The locals absolutely avoid telling the feds anything about the beautiful sites.

BLM, EPA, IRS, DOJ: worse than four letter words.


6 posted on 01/31/2016 8:05:06 AM PST by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: FiddlePig

Actually, Wounded Knee was a bit different.

In Oregon, the Feds actually tempered themselves a bit by not sending in overwhelming force immediately upon takeover of the refuge. In that specific sense, they seemed to have learned the lesson from Waco.

In Oregon, the reason the Feds ultimately came en masse was at the insistence of the lib Oregon governor. Contrast the Baltimore mayor that believed the looters/rioters needed to do some damage.

Wounded Knee was part of the Fed reaction to the American Indian Movement (AIM). This group was like many groups that popped up in the 70s. They all had a socialist bent, which led me to believe that they were all originally prompted by the Chinese taking advantage of the “hippie” stuff occurring on campus (note most libs here are Maoists, not Stalinists).

At home it was basically the anti-war movement along w/smaller groups like AIM or even smaller such as the Symbionese Liberation Army (Patty Hurst).

Over seas, you had the Red Army Faction in Germany, the “Provos” (Provisonal IRA) in Ireland/UK, and ETA (Basque group) in Spain. There were probably others but those are the ones I know off the top of my head. But, they were all appearing around the same time.

All such groups had ultimately socialist designs using some statement of “freedom” as propaganda/recruiting tools.

So while I’m for the ranchers and against the land grabs/onerous regulations/abuse of power, this is really nothing to do w/Wounded Knee or the AIM movement.

If any relation at all, it would be along the lines of how the authorities dealt with the situation on the ground. For which I think they tempered themselves better in Oregon than Wounded Knee.


7 posted on 01/31/2016 8:07:13 AM PST by fruser1
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To: FiddlePig

Thank you. Problem is, nobody reads history anymore.
A whole generation thinks we need a new Stalin to liberate us from the evil oppressor, America and force us all to be equal and “free.”


10 posted on 01/31/2016 8:21:21 AM PST by mumblypeg (Reality is even more complicated than the internet.)
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To: FiddlePig
The setup and murder of protester LaVoy Finicum (yes it was murder, for the Feds were ready and willing to use deadly force)... and the arrest of the others is just the 21st Century version of the law of the "Kings Land" (IMHO).

And the cure for that is to find out WHO GAVE THE ORDERS FOR THAT MURDER. Who, where he lives and works, his travel habits and recreation. That individual must have an "accident" or simply disappear. Repeat as necessary with those GIVING THE ORDERS for other such atrocities.

12 posted on 01/31/2016 8:47:14 AM PST by JimRed (uire)
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To: FiddlePig

I totally agree with that blog article. We are headed to feudalism unless we can turn things in the Whitehouse. Otherwise we will have CWII. Americans are not Europeans they will not go down without a fight.


14 posted on 01/31/2016 8:59:06 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: FiddlePig

There are no men left. We’re done here.


15 posted on 01/31/2016 9:05:27 AM PST by freedomjusticeruleoflaw (Western Civilization- whisper the words, and it will disappear. So let us talk now about rebirth.)
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To: FiddlePig

In addition, private property is essential to freedom. The means of production in a free society — land and capital goods — are to be held by individuals and families, NOT by Governments, and respectfully, NOT by large corporate entities.

The means of production — are the means to earn an honest living FREE from government intrusion. Without the means to earn a living a man is a serf, an indentured servant, a slave to the state.

In addition to everything else, we BUY the future of our country and our freedom with every nickle we spend (left over from taxes . . .) Let us vote with our dollars. Support local farmers, local ranchers, local small businesses.

When they go down (as we are seeing ranchers go down) there will be little of freedom left.

BTW the Catholic doctrine espousing the above is Distributism espoused by Chesterton and Belloc. Never hurts to have a philosophical foundation; not that the Constitution itself should not be enough. !!

. . . OK distributism:

Private property

Under such a system, most people would be able to earn a living without having to rely on the use of the property of others to do so. Examples of people earning a living in this way would be farmers who own their own land and related machinery, plumbers who own their own tools, software developers who own their own computer,[34] etc. The “cooperative” approach advances beyond this perspective to recognise that such property and equipment may be “co-owned” by local communities larger than a family, e.g., partners in a business.

In Rerum novarum, Leo XIII states that people are likely to work harder and with greater commitment if they themselves possess the land on which they labour, which in turn will benefit them and their families as workers will be able to provide for themselves and their household. He puts forward the idea that when men have the opportunity to possess property and work on it, they will “learn to love the very soil which yields in response to the labor of their hands, not only food to eat, but an abundance of the good things for themselves and those that are dear to them.” [35] He states also that owning property is not only beneficial for a person and their family, but is in fact a right, due to God having “...given the earth for the use and enjoyment of the whole human race”.[36]

Similar views are presented by G.K. Chesterton in his 1910 book What’s Wrong with the World. Chesterton believes that whilst God has limitless capabilities, man has limited abilities in terms of creation. As such, man therefore is entitled to own property and to treat it as he sees fit. He states “Property is merely the art of the democracy. It means that every man should have something that he can shape in his own image, as he is shaped in the image of heaven. .”[37] Chesterton summed up his distributist views in the phrase “Three acres and a cow”.

According to Belloc, the distributive state (the state which has implemented distributism) contains “an agglomeration of families of varying wealth, but by far the greater number of owners of the means of production.”[38] This broader distribution does not extend to all property, but only to productive property; that is, that property which produces wealth, namely, the things needed for man to survive. It includes land, tools, and so on.[39] Distributism allows for society to have public goods such as parks and transit systems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism


16 posted on 01/31/2016 10:47:19 AM PST by AMDG&BVMH
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To: FiddlePig; goodnesswins; PROCON; Twotone; VeryFRank; Clinging Bitterly; Rio; aimhigh; Hieronymus; ..

If you would like more information about what's happening in Oregon, please FReepmail me.

I lost my Oregon list when my computer crashed last year, so please send me your name by FReepmail if you want to be on this list.

21 posted on 02/02/2016 5:42:18 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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