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To Pope Francis Christmas only a “charade”
Canada Free Press ^ | 11/22/15 | Judi McLeod

Posted on 11/22/2015 7:56:29 AM PST by Sean_Anthony

We’ve been hearing it from the atheists for decades. We’ve been hearing it from the legions of the hypocritical politically correct, but how many of us ever thought we’d ever hear these words from a Bishop of Rome:

“Christmas is a charade”. (Pope Francis, Nov. 12, 2015)

We can image the loud cheers being sent up from the secular world at the pontiff’s bullseye shot at the heart at Christmas, because it comes from a source that was least expected on the eve of Advent 2015.


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To: The Cuban

You are welcome to your beliefs. Your pope is trouble is my deep belief.


21 posted on 11/22/2015 12:49:39 PM PST by polymuser ( Enough is enough)
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To: polymuser

I’ll accept that but don’t slander, at least not before you learn not to take the media’s account of what the Pope says at face value when you know only half the story.


22 posted on 11/22/2015 12:55:49 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: polymuser
"During all of World War II, which claimed more lives than any other conflict in modern history, Pope Pius XII never claimed Christmas was only a charade. No pontiff ever cast a shadow on lights, parties,Christmas trees and Nativity Scenes."

Maybe he should have said something like that.

Happy Germans, gathered around a Christmas tree, singing "Silent Night" -- maybe somebody should have tried to poke a hole in that charade, the pretense that all was well.

But of course Pius couldn't.

Mussolini was across town and had Hitler to back him up.

23 posted on 11/22/2015 1:12:09 PM PST by x
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To: bgill
I am not at all pleased, as a Catholic, with this papacy. All that makes sense to me is that God is punishing the Church for the sinfulness of me and my fellow Catholics. In matters purely secular, he seems to be an airhead and an embarrassment. I really don't want to see him appointing many cardinals, if any. No doubt, he will be naming his airhead disciple (who is also an enemy of the pro-life and pro-family agenda), +Blase Cupich now of Chicago, in any new consistory to name cardinals. I trust that, if named, Cupich will have zero influence in the next conclave and that his endorsement would be the kiss of death for any candidacy. We will then await Cupich's 75th birthday (3/19/24) and his required resignation as we awaited Bernardin's death and Roger Cardinal McPhony's mandatory resignation before him.

I don't think that it is so much that Francis hates as it is that he is a foolish man on matters secular. He is also the poster boy for not making Jesuits bishops much less making one pope.

24 posted on 11/22/2015 2:17:35 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Biggirl
12/17/16 he turns 80. From your keyboard to God's ears!

God bless you and yours! Nice job by Archbishop Blair at last week's national bishops' meeting! It is great to see the Archdiocese of Hartford in his capable and Catholic hands.

25 posted on 11/22/2015 2:23:32 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: x
x:

I am going to speak from the heart and colorfully and aggressively but please believe that I mean you no offense. I have no idea of what you personally believe and certainly you are entitled to believe as you choose. So am I. I am simply using your post as a springboard to reply to it.

When Pope Pius XII died in 1958, Golda Meir was the Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations. She gave a very admiring eulogy to Pius XII on the floor of the UN General Assembly and was not herself motivated by religion in doing so since I believe she was an agnostic or an atheist. She did note that during the Holocaust, Pius XII's voice was raised in defense of the Jews and that he was the only head of state on the continent to do so, referencing his famous Christmas radio broadcast on the subject.

The Israelis deemed him "righteous among the Gentiles" which is high praise indeed and planted about 950,000 trees in his memory, one for each Jew, whom the Israeli government believed he had saved from the Nazis.

Francisco Franco, a Catholic, also set up an underground railroad through Spain to Spanish Morocco to facilitate the escape of Jews to go wherever they wished. He also allowed them to set up shop in Spanish Morocco to work for the escape of their fellow Jews.

Most of the Reichman/Gestetner family originally of Hungary and Germany respectively escaped Europe by the Spanish route, stayed in Spanish Morocco to use their fortune in resistance to the Nazis and, after the war, emigrated to Montreal where they established a major international construction firm, Olympia and York. Their company was destroyed financially by scheming among termites disloyal to Maggie Thatcher but influential with her cabinet ministers in a scandal known as Canary Wharf, and through no apparent fault of their own. They have been model citizens of Canada and they are utterly Orthodox Chassidic Jews.

As to the possibility of casting a pall on German Christmas celebrations, why? Not one Jew or Gypsy or Pole or "political" prisoner would have been saved by such politically correct showmanship. The celebration of the birth of Our Savior at Christmas and His Resurrection at Easter were a direct slap in the face to the Nazi pagans and murderers. So was the celebration of each and every Mass throughout the Nazi era.

For further details on the Church's response to Hitler, study the actions of Bishop August Galen of Munster, and Michael Cardinal von Faulhaber, Archbishop of Munich from 1917 through his death of natural causes in 1952 at the age of 83.

I will let the decidedly non-Catholic Encyclopedia Britannica article on Cardinal von Faulhaber be my source. In 1923, he helped significantly in thwarting Hitler's Munich Putsch. He resisted the Nazis ever thereafter. Additionally, he was "in their face" to the Nazis in publicly inviting Munich's major Jewish Temple to store their Torah Scrolls with him for their protection.

Cardinal von Faulhaber taunted Hitler regularly from the pulpit at his cathedral. The Nazis did not dare lay a glove on von Faulhaber who was known as "The Lion of Munich." You can also rest assured that von Faulhaber celebrated Christmas and Easter and daily Mass, Nazis or no Nazis.

What were the Nazis but a particularly vile and murderous pagan sect with grand racial pretensions and a very temporary phenomenon who slaughtered many millions of innocent Jews, Gypsies, Poles, political opponents and others in their fanatic attempt to purge non-"Aryans." They were rendered temporary by the rise of Western Civilization's determination to crush the Nazis. The Roman Catholic Church is not all of Western Civilization but it has certainly played a crucial role now for nearly 2,000 years. We often turn the spades of dirt over the graves of the enemies of the Western Civilization.

See also such Protestants as the Lutheran minister Dietrich von Bonhoeffer martyred near the end of the war by the Nazis lest he survive to instruct the world as to the evil that was Nazi rule. Also the ten Booms and others like them.

There is a magnificent Jewish Oxford History Professor Emeritus Sir Martin Gilbert who is now devoting the remainder of his life to documenting (in many 600 page volumes) those Europeans (many of them Catholic) in places like Ukraine, Poland, Lithuania and other nations who risked their own lives and their families' lives to save the lives of Jews being hunted by the Nazis. He regards such people as "righteous among the gentiles" and regards it as his duty as a Jew to see to it that they are identified for history and honored.

See also the memoirs of the Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide and of the British (Protestant) diplomat D'Arcy Osborne, both of whom know whereof they speak of Pius XII's heroism during the Nazi era.

Pius XII also is known to have written for his predecessor Pius XI a unique German language encyclical against the Nazis "Mit Brennender Sorge" (With Burning Anxiety) for publication in 1937 and read from each and every Catholic pulpit in Germany on Passion Sunday 3/10/37, catching Hitler and the Nazis by surprise.

The Nazis made the grave mistake of assuming themselves relevant (a thousand year Reich that lasted about 20 years until Der Fuehrer blew what passed for his brains out in a Berlin bunker rather than be captured and tried by Western Civilization). He was not the first and will not be the last to be so defeated. What is and always be the most relevant fact of human existence is the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, God and man, on the cross in atonement for the sins of each and every one of us and we need only accept that sacrifice and live accordingly.

If any reader somehow disagrees with the above-stated theology, for whatever reason, I am not writing to antagonize you and I recognize that your beliefs may differ from mine but I am not going to argue. I believe what I believe and the Roman Catholic Church believes. I won't change or deviate from that path nor do I expect anyone to deviate from theirs.

Mussolini was a glorified pipsqueak with little actual power during the relevant period since the Germans, heir troops and the Gestapo surrounded the Vatican and occupied the rest of Rome. Musslini was nothing more than a local bully, a lickspittle for the Nazis, and a buffoon, hated by his own people who, after Pius XII refused him asylum, was murdered with his mistress in the streets of Rome, strung up by the ankles and his body desecrated. Pius did offer asylum to the mistress but she refused the offer and thus chose to be killed.

I write at this length not knowing the motives behind your post but always aware that there are those (not at all necessarily you) who take every opportunity to blacken the reputation which Eugenio Pacelli (Pius XII) had justly earned in his resistance to the Nazis.

The fairy tales began with publication of the play The Deputy (1962/)by Rolf Hochhuth who has been a member of Hitler Youth and became a communist after the war, devoting himself to a career of lies about Pius XII, who was then safely dead and unable to defend himself. Old Comrade Rolf was quite successful in his libels but it does not change the noble truth attested to by sober and knowledgeable direct witnesses most of them not Catholic.

Rome under the Nazis caused Pius XII to call from Ireland Monsignor Flaherty who spent the war taunting the Nazis by openly flaunting their every regulation to save Jews and advocate for them. See the film The Red and the Black starring Gregory Peck as the Monsignor. When the actually pagan Nazi commandant who ruled Rome for the Nazis was imprisoned after the war, Monsignor Flaherty converted him to Catholicism and baptized him in his prison cell.

Jesus Christ promised that His Church would be here until the very end of the earth. We bury our enemies of the caliber of Hitler, Mussolini, Lenin, Stalin and the rest.

The Islamonazis (whose predecessors like the "Grand Mufti" of Jerusalem were formally allied with Hitler) of our era like to have hissy fits calling Western Civilization's forces (such as they are) "crusaders" as a term of contempt. Perhaps it is time to arrange to make that charge true. Either the Muslims control and suppress their own nutcases or a United States with renewed resolve and an actual POTUS like Cruz or maybe Trump or even Rubio and no politically correct pretenses will control an suppress the Islamolooneytunes once and for all, splashily and memorably. Just one nuclear boomer submarine can spoil their entire history and we still have a lot more than one.

War or no war, when Christmas comes around in good times or in bad times, we will celebrate it and wish everyone a Merry Christmas. Likewise Easter when we will celebrate the Resurrection of Jesus Christ and His triumph over death whether the Muslims or anyone else like it or not. Our Savior was born into this world. Our Savior rose from the dead. We will celebrate and have parties and exchange gifts if we wish to do so, and decorate with lights and we will have Christmas trees and Easter Egg hunts for our children whether Mohammed El Kaboomski likes it or not.

There will be NO CALIPHATE and we will not accept Sharia Law. And we will celebrate that as well.

26 posted on 11/22/2015 4:42:41 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Biggirl; Norm Lenhart; RitaOK; verga; Dr. Sivana; Finny; Sean_Anthony; HomerBohn; Paladin2; ...
Ping to #26 because you are either regular FRiends of mine and the others because you have posted here on this thread and I concede that #26 rambled from the original topic of the thread. Judge Francis harshly on the facts and the evidence if you will but understand that he is a deviation from our tradition. It was not always thus.

Francis stands on the shoulders of far greater men (and seems unworthy as their successor) like Pope St. Pius X, Pius XI, Pius XII, John Paul I, Pope St. John Paul II and even Pope St. John XXIII if you limit the analysis to his heroic work saving Bulgarian Jews from the Nazis as a Vatican diplomat to that country.

And his efforts were in addition to the heroic Bulgarian people, largely Eastern Orthodox, who laid down across the railroad tracks to prevent the cattle cars filled with Bulgarian Jews from moving the Jews to the death camps until the Nazis there simply gave up.

27 posted on 11/22/2015 5:13:01 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Biggirl; Norm Lenhart; RitaOK; verga; Dr. Sivana; Finny; Sean_Anthony; HomerBohn; Paladin2; ...
Ping to #26 because you are either regular FRiends of mine and the others because you have posted here on this thread and I concede that #26 rambled from the original topic of the thread. Judge Francis harshly on the facts and the evidence if you will but understand that he is a deviation from our tradition. It was not always thus.

Francis stands on the shoulders of far greater men (and seems unworthy as their successor) like Pope St. Pius X, Pius XI, Pius XII, John Paul I, Pope St. John Paul II and even Pope St. John XXIII if you limit the analysis to his heroic work saving Bulgarian Jews from the Nazis as a Vatican diplomat to that country.

And his efforts were in addition to the heroic Bulgarian people, largely Eastern Orthodox, who laid down across the railroad tracks to prevent the cattle cars filled with Bulgarian Jews from moving the Jews to the death camps until the Nazis there simply gave up.

28 posted on 11/22/2015 5:13:01 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: jsanders2001

<<< Well Christ was born probably nearer to Easter and Christmas is more of a marketing ploy than it is about Christ so he may be right in that regard. >>>

Exactly when Christ Jesus was born I don’t know, but of the rest of your comment, I can say, sadly, that you are correct, speaking about the cultural sense, in the secular world, but this is not the fault of Christ Jesus, nor His Holy Mother Church, nor the faithful in her, so we all together sojourn on, in season and out of season.


29 posted on 11/22/2015 6:34:25 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you very much for the ping. Your little opus here was wonderful! Thank you for that. I am late to the Church (2000-01). I knew nothing of this really, regarding what you chronicled, and I’m grateful you made it so digestible here.

The Jesuits are also a chapter of Church history of orders, I have not studied. I see brows rise in all discussions where there name comes up.

As an example of a Jesuit, I have my first one, Pope Francis, and it’s a sad case for his own sake, and may be a dangerous example. How it is that he relates to his Jesuit Order and to his pontificate, I don’t fully understand.

I had just thought he was simply sub-par academically, broadly ignorant, occasionally silly, and prideful as we all are, and possibly senile. At worst, I wonder if he is possibly in cahoots with the Masons, athiests, and similarly a mule for Marxists, whom he seems to have placed at his hem line, all around him.

I don’t know quite what to do in the pseudo schism we live in, divided from the man but not the Church. I think we are all waiting for some kind of an *announcement* that heralds the Return of Christ, or the Illumination of the Soul, or the Three Days of Darkness, but vandalizing the Holy Mass and savaging the “praxis” of the Faith is not a sign of Peace. (sigh.)


30 posted on 11/22/2015 6:58:59 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming)
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To: BlackElk
Thanks for the ping, BlackElk.

The Israelis deemed him "righteous among the Gentiles" which is high praise indeed and planted about 950,000 trees in his memory, one for each Jew, whom the Israeli government believed he had saved from the Nazis.

I don't pretend to know all of the facts surrounding the role of the Catholic Church and its various leaders in the political/diplomatic events in Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. But based on statements like the one above I've come to relegate the anti-Pius XII crowd to the same group of malcontents as the "reparations for slavery" losers.

According to the statement posted above, the Israelis believed that Pius XII had been instrumental in saving the lives of 950,000 Jews from the Nazis.

How many Jews have been credited with saving 950,000 Jews from the Nazis?

31 posted on 11/22/2015 7:09:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("It doesn't work for me. I gotta have more cowbell!")
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To: CodeToad
pedophile priest

Your proof of this slanders comment?

32 posted on 11/22/2015 7:16:32 PM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: BlackElk

Well written, as always.


33 posted on 11/22/2015 7:23:25 PM PST by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: BlackElk

St. John XXIII saved, many, many lives.


34 posted on 11/22/2015 8:36:44 PM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: BlackElk

Thank-you very much and have a good and blessed Thanksgiving Day week!


35 posted on 11/23/2015 5:50:56 AM PST by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: RitaOK
Thank you for your kind words. I am a cradle Catholic and only child whose parents were factory workers but they did see to my education very well. I had a good Catholic grammar school education from nursery school through eighth grade from an order of nuns whose teachers had nothing more than a high school diploma (with one exception) and had our grammar school students (about 900 at any given time) a full two years ahead of what was still a competent public school system in New Haven. They then sent me by train every day to a Jesuit prep school run by old school Jesuits (the younger ones were of Francis' generation).

To understand Francis, it makes sense to study what happened to the Jesuit order (the Society of Jesus founded by St, Ignatius Loyola). In my youth, they were still accurately referenced as "God's Marines" but the heresy of Modernism was infecting the rank and file of the order and undermining its long-standing loyalty to Thomism, the scholastic philosophy of St. Thomas Aquinas. The Jesuits were being tempted to be "of the world" as well as "in the world). They were being polluted by the context of their times, reaching crisis in the 1960s when an evil Superior General, Pedro Arrupe, SJ, was elected in about 1962. He was eventually removed with a crow bar by Pope St. John Paul II and was the first Jesuit general to be removed in the history of the order. He had been attending cocktail parties at the Kremlin before becoming disabled physically, which disability was the excuse for his removal.

I won't attempt to give the entire history of the progressive degeneration of the Jesuits but will point you to two other 20th Century Superiors General (all generals being nicknamed "Black Popes"). First, the magnificent Superior General of the era from WWI to WWII: Wlodomir Ledochowski of Poland. He is apparently justly criticized as being a part of the problem in his attitude against Jews but I saw none of that from my Jesuit teachers. Other than that, Ledochowski was a great General. He had a sister who has been canonized and another who has been beatified.

When Ledocowski died in 1942, there was an interregnum due to the war until the election of a Belgian Jesuit, Jean-Baptiste Jansenns who was considerably more liberal than Ledochowski and inspired the thoroughly Catholic Pope Pius XII to casually say to his inner circle on many occasions of controversy related to Jansenns' liberalism: "Bring me the head of John the Baptist."

The degeneracy of the order was cemented in place by the election of Arrupe who became a full-fledged radical as a result of being present in the Hiroshima suburbs on the day of the atomic bombing and seeing the dead, dying and maimed, flesh melting off the bones of the still living, first hand.

One thing you may take to the bank is that a Jesuit of Francis' generation is NOT ignorant. If Argentina's Jesuit province had the same rules as those in the US, he would have had to receive not one, not two but three academic doctorates before ordination: Sacred Theology, Philosophy and an academic subject which he would be qualified to teach. I believe Francis (then Fr, Bergoglio) taught Math and Chemistry. I also think it quite unlikely that he is affected by any degree of senility.

Francis is not likely a tool of the Oriental Lodges of Freemasonry (distinguishable from the American variety) who are the real problem in that group. He is all too friendly disposed towards atheists, agnostics, homosexuals, feminists and Marxists but more importantly towards the worst elements in the Church hierarchy itself: Cardinals Marx, Kaspar, Madariaga and other radicals whom he has named to his eight member group of inner circle cardinal advisers. St. John Paul II effectively stuffed these radicals in an iron box for nearly three decades and Benedict XVI kept them there.

The late great former Jesuit, Fr. Malachi Martin, wrote a history of the Jesuit Order that is likely still available from Amazon or ABE Books or such. I recommend also his The Final Conclave written in advance of the 1978 conclave that elected John Paul I and Windswept House, a dark novel of St. John Paul II in the winter of his papacy which is as close an account of evils rising in the Church as we are likely to get. If Fr. Martin were alive, he would certainly have published by now an authoritative account of what went wrong in the conclave that elected Francis.

Don't EVER let these enemies of the actual Church drive you from the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the legitimate sacraments or the actual Teaching Magisterium of the Church. We have had far worse popes (check out Alexander VI) than this and survived now for nearly 2000 years. I know you won't leave but those of weaker Faith will be so tempted. Offer it up for the souls suffering in Purgatory, for the restoration of our Church and the restoration of our republic.

God bless you and yours!

36 posted on 11/23/2015 7:27:40 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: Biggirl; verga; Alberta's Child

Thank you all for your kind remarks.


37 posted on 11/23/2015 7:29:10 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline: Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society/Rack 'em Danno!)
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To: The Cuban
No you cant. He is the only one besides Putin that has called out the world for ignoring the slaughter of Christians, which by the way are Catholic. That’s right those Christians in Iraq being killed are Catholic not Protestant.

Some are Catholic. Others are Greek Orthodox, non-Chalcaedonian (Syrians, Copts) and Nestorian (Assyrians). To claim that all these people are Roman Catholic is as simplistic a position as that held by any Fundamentalist Protestant.

38 posted on 11/23/2015 7:36:47 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your right. It is a generalization for the sake of making the point. They love to knock on the Pope not an Orthodox prelate.


39 posted on 11/23/2015 3:38:17 PM PST by The Cuban
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To: The Cuban
Pope Francis sure seems to like making provocative statements. But the story below got my attention:

Philadelphia baby's brain tumor shrinks after kiss from pope

The brain scan image is pretty remarkable.

40 posted on 11/23/2015 3:44:22 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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