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To: BobL
Actually, a plumber has been to trade school, served an apprenticeship, and taken licensing exams. To accomplish this, he must have the reading and math skills that once was routine for 8th graders ( for my parents’ generation ) A plumber knows how to do something and is fully literate and numerate.

There are plenty of kids at the community college I am now attending who literally can not find 1.5 inches on a ruler. That's the truth. I have personally witnessed this. Many **will** go on to earn AA and then B.A. degrees. There are plenty of baristas with college degrees who can not read a ruler or an analog clock and don't know who the Vice President is.

11 posted on 11/09/2015 5:59:19 PM PST by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: wintertime
Actually a plumber...

Some of the best math I've eveer seen was done on scrap paper in a machine shop, by a guy who barely spoke English or acceptable Spanish, merely so he could actually do what the red lines called for. Contemporary with that I worked with Engineers who's answer to "why" was because that's what the program says.

Nearly the most depressing sight I encountered in GI Bill education was watching as the demo slip stick behind instructor's desk was replaced with a demo hand calculator. (see above; because that's what the program says)

The problem isn't limited to 'kids'. I watched over a decade of adult employees bagging a Phoenix or Fly by Night BA degree while employed so that they could demand a raise and promotion upon completion...
Spoiler; I have a legitimate BA in a very unmarketable specialty and an after hours MSA in "management", which taken together allowed me to continue working but which I never thought should guarantee me any sort of status, that you need to learn to do for yourself.

14 posted on 11/09/2015 6:48:59 PM PST by norton
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To: wintertime; BobL

When I brought up a plumbers worth this is exactly what I meant. They have an education that’s worth something, and relevant to what they’re setting out to do.

As a result they actually provide something of value to the marketplace and society, more so than any vaunted “fill-in-the-blank” studies degree from even the “ivyest” of leagues. ;-)


21 posted on 11/09/2015 7:07:44 PM PST by The Looking Spoon
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