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BUSH VS. TRUMP: A REVEALING CLUE
The American Spectator ^ | September 01, 2015 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 09/01/2015 8:51:42 PM PDT by Steelfish

BUSH VS. TRUMP: A REVEALING CLUE Can someone be trusted to lead if allows himself to be bullied?

Thomas Sowell.

Even those of us who are not supporters of either Donald Trump or Jeb Bush can learn something by comparing how each of these men handled people who tried to disrupt their question-and-answer period after a speech.

After Bush’s speech, hecklers from a group called “Black Lives Matter” caused Bush to simply leave the scene. When Trump opened his question-and-answer period by pointing to someone in the audience who had a question, a Hispanic immigration activist who had not been called on simply stood up and started haranguing.

Trump told the activist to sit down because someone else had been called on. But the harangue continued, until a security guard escorted the disrupter out of the room. And Jeb Bush later criticized Trump for having the disrupter removed!

What kind of president would someone make who caves in to those who act as if what they want automatically overrides other people’s rights — that the rules don’t apply to them?

Trump later allowed the disrupter back in, and answered his questions. Whether Trump’s answers were good, bad, or indifferent is irrelevant to the larger issue of rules that apply to everyone. That was not enough to make “The Donald” a good candidate to become President of the United States. He is not. But these revealing incidents raise painful questions about electing Jeb Bush to be leader of the free world. The Republican establishment needs to understand why someone with all Trump’s faults could attract so many people who are sick of the approach that Jeb Bush represents.

No small part of the internal degeneration of American society has been a result of supposedly responsible officials caving in ........... -----------------

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To: lee martell
Trump feeds off public relations wars. It keeps him in the headlines.

He has been using PR (good and bad) to build his brand since the 1970's. Hence he has more personal experience at it than anyone in the country and perhaps the world.

As I have said before, Trump is that pig you were warned not to wrestle. And I mean that in a positive way. He loves it.

21 posted on 09/02/2015 5:55:54 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi)
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To: Din Maker
Sowell will come around eventually.

He just too cerebral to get the Trump movement this early.

22 posted on 09/02/2015 5:57:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi)
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To: Steelfish
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23 posted on 09/02/2015 7:34:03 AM PDT by Patton@Bastogne
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To: Democratic-Republican

I wish you are right. Of course electoral votes are based on State wins. But it is still an incontrovertible fact that no Republican has won with less than 40% of the Hispanic vote. So please show us “how” Trump can win in States that Romney lost?


24 posted on 09/02/2015 10:25:46 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
"I wish you are right. Of course electoral votes are based on State wins. But it is still an incontrovertible fact that no Republican has won with less than 40% of the Hispanic vote. So please show us “how” Trump can win in States that Romney lost?"

"Incontrovertible"? I dispute that. All of that demographic and quite literally racist propaganda comes either from exit polls from past elections or paid polls from a variety of special interest groups. The reliability of these are all over the map, they are not scientifically sound when compared to each other, and especially across multiple years. It's comparing apples, oranges, tomatoes, tacos, pizza and gatorade.

So we don't really know what hispanic support past candidates actually got, and we don't know what they really have pending today. Given these uncertainties, you believe what exactly? We should line up to support the guy who propagandists say is leading with a certain "racial" group? That would be very convenient for those purchasing these polls.

Look, at the State level it all comes down to the big twelve: OH, PA, MI, WI, IN, NC, IA, FL, NM, NV, CO, VA. That is the entire game.

Those first four are vital pickups that I believe only Trump can truly put these play: OH, PA, MI, WI. This is blue collar and union territory as well as coal energy and other white collar manufacturing interests. Your typical (R)epublicrat dies here because of that very label, someone who swings both ways should have a better shot especially if he goes straight after them - I could easily see Trump using his ex-Democrat history to attract these folks: "Look I'm not really one of them, they even say so!" There is no way that Bush or Rubio or any other (R) has a shot here and McCain and Romney just proved it yet again.

Oh but what about Walker? You would think he would take his own state? In fact I count nine governors running, Walker, Bush, Christie, Gilmore, Pataki, Jindal, Perry, Huckabee and Kasich and unless I'm mistaken ALL OF THEM won off-year elections. In short, they have not demonstrated electoral strength in Presidential year elections when the major media is out in force and when the (D)ummycrat ground game is in high gear. So no, I don't think so. You absolutely have to separate off-year elections from the on-year big one. It's possible but IMHO unlikely Walker would take WI in the on-year election because it is an entirely different animal. With the possible exception of FL, those Governors' states are NOT in play just because the ex-Governor is running. It is extremely sloppy thinking to even consider that possibility and that seems to be the (R)epublicrat mindset. Inside-The-Box thinking again.

I actually think Bush and Trump have an equal shot at FL since it has gone "blue" in 2008 and 2012, and we all know that in 2000 and 2004 that Bush43 just squeaked by. Trump has planted roots down there so he is as much a carpet bagger as Jebbie.

I'm working on collecting specific data on those twelve and will have a new map soon. But my preliminary feeling is that Trump has a good shot at eight of those twelve. With enough momentum he might even drag along all of them.

But ... we are so far away to make these predictions. Issues will come and go, mostly come. And the big variable is always momentum. The big 'Mo is something I just cannot ever see as being a Bush asset. The only thing I am personally convinced of at this early point in time is that Bush is a guaranteed loser. And even if God intervened and for some strange reason made Bush the winner, the country would still lose. So, the way I see it, the very first order of business is to crush Bush45, and crush him decisively, then we can get on the same page and decide how to run the electoral pool table.

25 posted on 09/02/2015 3:47:43 PM PDT by Democratic-Republican
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To: Democratic-Republican

FL, NM, NV all have high Hispanic populations. If they are energized to vote, as they will through fear or whatever, its game over. The winner in presidential elections is a small 2% band-with. I can’t see why WI, MI etc that are blue state bastions will go for Trump.


26 posted on 09/02/2015 5:23:50 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish
"FL, NM, NV all have high Hispanic populations. If they are energized to vote, as they will through fear or whatever, its game over. The winner in presidential elections is a small 2% band-with. I can’t see why WI, MI etc that are blue state bastions will go for Trump."

OH, WI, MI, because of jobs, because of unions, because of non-union white/blue collar also. If he keeps zeroing in on jobs and taxes, and some targeted protectionist tariffs ( e.g., Ford in Mexico ) he will have shot. PA has a lot of the same, along with coal, and he should be able to snooker this one back to "red" just by promising a pipeline and revoke all executive orders that have hammered them. It is the Reagan strategy but updated, and is really the only strategy except for walking away, again. He has to go straight at them, fearlessly.

I've said he will need a 50 state strategy, and he will have to intentionally develop momentum. No-one, including Trump should expect an easy time of this, this is deadly serious, and as I've said over and over, he has to thread a needle. Frankly it is almost impossible on paper, but Trump, being an outside-the-box candidate has the only real chance in this nearly fixed game. IMHO naturally.

NM, NV, FL certainly have huge hispanic populations, but so does TX and AZ. I think it is awfully racist of the racist (D)ummycrats to assume that hispanics are their property. We are seeing some evidence that the legal ones are not thrilled with the illegal invaders. Plus, don't you think there are a lot of non-hispanics in those States that are just begging for a candidate who is at least talking about shutting off the spigot of illegal alien invaders? Why is NM and NV the opposite of TX and AZ? There is no good reason to write them off.

All kinds of Bush/RNC polls, and sycophant collaborator surveys are popping up now. It is probably a last ditch effort to give the baby Bush some momentum in the next debate. It smells of politics, so let's wait and see what Trump does in the near future to counter it.

I wish someone could offer a realistic scenario that one of the other 15 can exceed the McCain and Romney results ( keeping in mind that demographics have only gotten worse every day since ). I just see more of the same, or actually worse, because Bush and Rubio are running on outright surrender, at least Romney and McCain made believe they wouldn't surrender. As I said, the only thing I'm sure about is that Bush loses, and if he loses then his lesser-known mini-me Rubio also loses.

27 posted on 09/02/2015 6:08:26 PM PDT by Democratic-Republican
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To: Democratic-Republican

Our best shot is Ted Cruz but why he’s not having traction is anyone’s guess.


28 posted on 09/02/2015 6:32:26 PM PDT by Steelfish
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