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How many Firearms have been lost or Destroyed in the United States?
Gun Watch ^ | 30 August, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 08/31/2015 7:28:30 AM PDT by marktwain


How many firearms are lost or destroyed in the United States?  Is the number of guns in the U.S. increasing or decreasing?

The current estimate of the private stock of firearms in the United States is about 363 million (16 million were added in 2013). 

That number was calculated by the cumulative addition of domestic manufacture plus imports minus exports.  This does not count guns shipped to the U.S. military.   The figures are rounded to the nearest million.

Firearms manufactured before 1899 are not included.  The starting figure in 1945 is 47 million.

The numbers do not account for reduction of the gun stock due to wear and tear, loss, destruction or illegal exportation; or increases of the stock from illegal importation, individual or illegal manufacture, or acquisition from military sources.

The primary uncertainty is whether the unknown factors mentioned above result in a net loss or gain of firearms in addition to net known manufacture and importation, minus exports.

There is illegal importation and exportation of firearms.  A prominent Californian legislator who pushed for more firearm restrictions was arrested as the result of an undercover sting operation aimed at the illegal importation of arms.  We know that there is illegal export of arms.  The "Fast and Furious" scandal involving the Obama administration oversaw the illegal exportation of two to three thousand arms to Mexican drug cartels.  That number was spread over at least two years.

It seems likely that the incentives for illegal exportation are higher than for illegal importation, but the numbers overall appear small, less than 10,000 per year or .003% of the private firearm stock per year.

Gun "buy backs", or more accurately, gun turn ins, are another factor.  A few major cities hold gun turn in events each year.  The numbers turned in typically vary from less than a hundred to a few hundred.  The total numbers are almost certainly less than 10,000 a year.  It would be another .003% loss.

Individual manufacture or illegal manufacture is likely a much larger number.  There are numerous videos and instructions on how to make guns on the Internet.  There is a long tradition of individual hobbyists making their own guns in this country.  There is significant evidence that criminals engage in the manufacture of illegal guns.  The numbers are difficult to quantify.  At one point, the D.C. police department stated that one fifth of the guns that they confiscated were homemade.

I have personally made legal guns, and personally know others that have done so.  It is not something that is casually mentioned to strangers.  I suspect that the numbers are in excess of 100,000 per year.  That would be one out of a thousand gun owners making one gun per year.  The estimate is likely low, but I am being conservative.  That would be about .03 percent increase per year.  With ubiquitous and cheap power tools, inexpensive materials, and emerging technologies such as 3D printing, those numbers will only increase.

Military guns that are transferred to private ownership, legally or illegally, need to be added.  Guns that were originally sent to the U.S. military are not included in the estimate of the U.S. private gun stock.

Millions of guns were sent to the U.S. military, and a great many of them migrated into private hands.   The U.S. government sold millions of surplus rifles and pistols over the years.

I recall seeing barrels of 1903A3 rifles being sold in hardware stores for $29.95 in the 1960s.  I still have one of them.  At one point, in the middle 1960s, the NRA was offering M1 Carbines to its members for $18 each, as part of a government promotion to get the rifles into private hands.

A mail order ad from 1963.  The 1903 Springfield is listed at $36.38.  The M1 Garand at $89.95, the M1 Carbine at $78.88, the Colt 1917 military .45 revolver at $29.95.

Any person who has been involved in the gun culture for more than a couple of decades can attest to the ubiquity of military pistols that GIs returning from war brought back with them.   Here are some numbers of fairly modern firearms produced for the U.S. military that were sold freely through the mail up until 1968.

About half a million Krag rifles were produced from 1894 to 1904.

About 4.65 million 1903 and 1903A3 rifles were produced.  .84 million were produced by the start of WWI.  Production of the 1903A3 started at about serial number 3 million  during WWII.    1.65 million 1903A3s were produced by the end of WWII.
   
6.22 million M1 carbines were manufactured during WWII.

5.44 million MI Garands were manufactured, prior to 1957.

Many of these rifles were declared surplus and sold on the U.S. market prior to the requirements for record keeping of rifles by dealers before 1968.

Significant numbers were given or sold to other countries as military aid.

Over 2.5 million .45 ACP pistols were produced for the military by the end of WWII.  How many migrated to private hands is unknown.  They are commonly seen in private ownership.

At least 189,000  revolvers were in the hands of the military when the U.S. entered WWII.  Another 350,000 S&W revolvers were produced for the U.S military during the war.    About 48,000 Colt revolvers were produced for the U.S military during WWII.  It is reasonable to state that over half a million revolvers were purchased by the U.S. military prior to the end of WWII.  A great many of these have ended up in private hands.  My family had one of them, made before WWI.   I have not found the number of .22 trainers and target guns sold to the military.

This well worn Colt is over 100 years old, but functions perfectly.  It was produced for the U.S. military.

The total comes to about 20 million guns, of which large percentages were considered obsolete and or surplus before 1968.   Enormous numbers of them were sold through the mail before the 1968 gun control act made such sales legally cumbersome and difficult.

The numbers are hard to quantify, but 10 million firearms transferred from the military to private hands seems reasonable.  That would be a majority of the rifles and some of the pistols.   The Civilian Marksmanship Program continues to transfer former military arms to private hands today.

The most difficult number to quantify is the number of guns that are destroyed through wear, rust, abuse, and loss.  Nearly everyone understands that guns are a valuable commodity.  It takes very little maintenance to keep a gun from succumbing to rust.  A gun set in the corner of a closet is almost certain to be fully functional if it is brought out 50 years later.  Most guns are shot little and stored for long periods.  Very few guns are worn out by use.  Some are forgotten in the woods.  Some are lost in boating accidents.   When they are found, they make national news.  The numbers appear small, but they exist.   The question is: what percentage are destroyed/damaged/lost each year?

Reaching into my own family experience, my brother and I had personal knowledge of hundreds of guns among our extended family and friends, over the last 4 decades.  Yet of all of those, we could only recall three that were destroyed or lost.  One was an inexpensive semi-auto pistol that self destructed after a few boxes of ammunition.  Another was a deer rifle that was destroyed when a hunting cabin burned down.  The third was an old 16 gauge single shot shotgun where the frame cracked after decades of use and abuse.  A minimum number for the sample would be 100 guns for 40 years, the number being smaller than 100, 40 years ago, and several hundred in the last decade.  That calculates to .075 percent per year.

So where does that leave us?  Adding the percentages of loss and gain,  on the loss side we have .003% to illegal export, .003% to gun turn ins, and .075% to wear, rust, and loss.  On the gain side are .03% homemade or illegally made firearms.  Added together they come to a net loss of .051% per year.

When  the .051% number is applied to the firearm stock from 1945 onward, the total decrease in the stock would be 5.8 million since 1945.  If we double the number, it is still less than 12 million since 1945, close to the number of military guns added.

For an extreme case, increase the estimate by a full order of magnitude, to .51 percent loss per year, a little more than 1 firearm lost or destroyed of every 200 per year.  At that extreme rate, the loss from 1945 to 2013 would be 58 million firearms.  Add the 10 million military firearms transferred to the stock, and the total in 2013 would be reduced by 48 million.

Those educated guesses indicate that the current 363 million number is between 4 million too low, and 48 million too high, giving us a range of the private stock at the end of 2013 of between 315 million and 367 million.  The current estimate of 363 million is likely close to reality.

We are adding about 10-16 million firearms per year.  In 2013, we added 16 million.  At that rate, the losses become almost meaningless.  We make up all the losses for the last 68 years in somewhere between four months and four years.

©2015 by Dean Weingarten: Permission to share is granted when this notice is included.  Link to Gun Watch

Update: 55,000 Mossberg 44US .22 rifles were purchased in WWII.

Update: 44,000 High Standard H-D .22 pistols were made for the millitary by 1946.

Update: 61,000 M12 Winchester Shotguns produced for the military in WWII, 20,000 in WWI.

Update: 44,000 M97 Winchester Shotguns produced for the military in WWI and WWII.

Update: 2.19 million M1917 rifles were produced during WWI.


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The number of guns lost and destroyed over decades is dwarfed by current production and importation.
1 posted on 08/31/2015 7:28:30 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Well, there was that tragic boating accident a couple of years back.


2 posted on 08/31/2015 7:29:51 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: marktwain

These numbers do not include guns lost in FReeper boating accidents.....


3 posted on 08/31/2015 7:30:47 AM PDT by G Larry (Obama is replicating the instruments of the fall of Rome)
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To: G Larry

“I lost all mine in a terrible surf canoeing accident years ago” is my standard response whenever asked, which is thankfully very rare. I go to the range on occasion with a a few cops from town, so they know that’s bull. Oh well.


4 posted on 08/31/2015 7:33:43 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I miss my dad.)
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To: marktwain

Funny, the graph of boating accidents over that time looks exactly the same.


5 posted on 08/31/2015 7:35:49 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: marktwain
How many Firearms have been lost

Gazillions!

How many times do we read, even on FR, of some luckless guy/gal out in a boat, inadvertently or accidentally losing a firearm overboard?

They are sad tales of woe, for sure. If those bodies of water were ever dragged, they would result in literally tons of old weaponry.


6 posted on 08/31/2015 7:42:19 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Here is some information on dragging for firearms in lakes:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/08/wi-200-year-old-flintlock-found-in-lake.html


7 posted on 08/31/2015 7:44:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: TomGuy

That was my first thought if you drag all the lakes we freepers fish in you would find millions of guns... or not!


8 posted on 08/31/2015 7:48:16 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: marktwain

Back in the 1970s, NYC decided to get rid of all their confiscated handguns. It took several US Coast Guard cutters to haul all of them out to sea and dump them.

If NYC had dumped these on the market, they would have bankrupted every gun company in the USA.


9 posted on 08/31/2015 7:49:27 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: marktwain

The graph pretty much matches a graph of US population growth. I believe the growth of US gun ownership was actually highest immediately after WW II when many returning servicemen appreciated the need for gun ownership.


10 posted on 08/31/2015 7:49:55 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: marktwain

Well MY canoe seems to tip over at the most inopportune times....


11 posted on 08/31/2015 7:53:05 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (RINOs EARNED TRUMP! I prefer Cruz, but someone has to kick their A$$!)
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To: TomGuy

Yes, this losing firearms in boating accidents seems to be a huge problem, particularly for FReepers!


12 posted on 08/31/2015 7:57:05 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: marktwain
I have personally made legal guns, and personally know others that have done so. It is not something that is casually mentioned to strangers. I suspect that the numbers are in excess of 100,000 per year.

It wouldn't shock me to learn that number is low. There are lots and lots of AR-15s being made in garages and basements. I bet a number of FReepers have built their own.

13 posted on 08/31/2015 7:57:44 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: .45 Long Colt

“Being made” is kind of a stretch.

Assembling is closer to what is actually done.

Time you spend the money for parts you can get a fully assembled one for the same money. Or less. But it sure is a good way to get to know your weapon.


14 posted on 08/31/2015 8:16:46 AM PDT by saleman (?)
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To: .45 Long Colt

I wonder how many “80% Lowers” have actually been finished into operational rifles or handguns.


15 posted on 08/31/2015 8:19:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: saleman

It’s also a good way to know there is less of a formal record of that gun’s existence and ownership. If parts are purchased face-to-face, for cash, and the 80% lower is finished by the person assembling the parts, there is no record at all of the gun’s existence. If the associated ammo is also purchased face-to-face, for cash, there is no convenient way to associate the gun with the owner. I like that. Government should have no idea whether anyone owns firearms or how many they may own.


16 posted on 08/31/2015 8:33:16 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: NorthMountain

Can’t wait for 3d printers of titanium, aluminum, and 4010 steel to become affordable!


17 posted on 08/31/2015 8:38:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: marktwain


18 posted on 08/31/2015 8:41:39 AM PDT by JoeProBono (SOME IMAGES MAY BE DISTURBING VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED;-{)
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Can’t wait for 3d printers of titanium, aluminum, and 4010 steel to become affordable!

Define "affordable". Megacorp.com can afford them right now. You can't afford an industrial quality plastic printer. Yet.

19 posted on 08/31/2015 8:42:14 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: .45 Long Colt

Built a few, but sold them all to a guy whose name I do not remember, fo9r cash. I did save an 11 inch pistol I built ... got to have something for the zombie apocalypse don’tchaknow.


20 posted on 08/31/2015 8:46:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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