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To: Cboldt
As for "lawful money":

Article 1, Section 10. (US Constitution) No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts;...

I reckon that would sum up "lawful money".

While Federal Reserve Notes early on were redeemable in gold there were also Gold Certificates, which stated on the note that "This certifies that there have been deposited in the Treasury of the United States of America (denomination) in gold coin payable to the bearer on demand." It also said "This certificate is a legal tender in the amount thereof in the payment of all debts and dues public and private"

After the 1928 series and after the confiscation of 1933, there was another series of Gold Certificates in 1934 used in transactions between the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank, which said "This is to certify that there is on deposit in the treasury of The United States of America (amount) in gold payable to the bearer on demand as authorized by law. 1934 $100 Gold Certificate

So, yes, it is complicated.

The 1914 Federal Reserve Note merely said that the note was "Authorized by the Federal Reserve Act of December 23, 1913" image of $10 FRN and elsewhere on the note said that the "United States of America will pay to the bearer on demand (amount of denomination)". This was, in essence a promissory note: an IOU.

Your post of the Federal Reserve note of 1928A is correct, and the simultaneously issued United States Note had the message: "This note is legal tender at its face value for all debts public and private except duties on imports and interest on the public debt". 1928 United States Note $1, but it also said the United States of America would pay to the bearer on demand one dollar.

That all of these notes, in one form or another mentioned redemption in "lawful money", Gold, or silver, or noted payment would be made upon demand of the face value amount implies that they are mere promissory notes to pay in the Constitutionally lawful coin of gold or silver.

At least that's what it looks like from the cheap seats. (YMMV)

57 posted on 08/26/2015 3:40:44 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
-- The 1914 Federal Reserve Note merely said that the note was "Authorized by the Federal Reserve Act of December 23, 1913" --

The "redeemable in gold" language is on the back of that note.

One reason the "lawful money" definition eludes me is that these notes were redeemable for gold or lawful money. The notes appear to be in the nature of some sort of deposit certificate, making them useful to conduct transactions without actually handling whatever it was that was on deposit at the bank.

The constitutional limitation you point out runs to the states, and aimed to prevent paper monetization of debt by the states, which, although I'm not studied on the history, I think had occurred prior to the constitution being adopted.

Money is a strange and powerful thing. A convenience over barter, a tool to facilitate commerce large and small. It should be created in proportion to agricultural and industrial production (which isn't always production, people are paid to demolish things, too), and destroyed after it has served its purpose.

58 posted on 08/26/2015 4:23:53 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Smokin' Joe

Just thinking out loud, maybe “lawful money” is some form of intermediate note, redeemable in gold at the US Treasury. The early FRN’s were redeemable in gold at the US Treasury, or gold or lawful money at a Federal Reserve bank. The note couldn’t be redeemed for “lawful money” at the US Treasury.


59 posted on 08/26/2015 4:27:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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