“Were they criminals?”
I was responding to a poster who used that language, so I used it too. He later objected to it (though he used it himself), so I agreed to call them “alleged criminals”. Does that make you feel better?
“Is the CoC a “criminal front group” as you keep insisting, or is it a loose grouping of clubs that span a wide range from criminal to non-criminal, as many have claimed in news reports?”
It’s a criminal front group. Yes, there are “non-outlaw” clubs that may be members, but the COCs are all, without exception, run by the largest outlaw gang in the state, and they extort money from the “non-outlaw” clubs to fund their operations.
“Your (and your doppleganger TexasGator) insist that merely attending an event sponsored by a large umbrella organization makes those attending the equivalent of soldiers in the mob.”
I’ve never insisted any such thing.
The article does a good job of explaining which of their rights have been violated.
“[t]he right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures”
Not sure how this right was supposedly violated, as they were all arrested after officers witnessed crimes being committed, so there was no need for a search warrant.
“The right to reasonable bail and speedy trial”
Those rights haven’t been violated. They were assigned bail similar to other people accused of similar crimes, and their trials are progressing at the same pace as people accused of similar crimes.
“And of course, the right to life, if it turns out the LEOs killed some of the victims without it being legitimate self=defense. “
There is also a right to kill in order to protect the lives of others, and this right especially applies to police officers. Besides, we don’t even know yet who the police killed, and for what reason, so it’s too premature to try to claim any violation here.
” Yes, there are “non-outlaw” clubs that may be members,”
Without joining and paying the extortion fees, they are ‘informed’ that they are not ‘welcome’ on the open road.
There is no reasonable and particular evidence against many of them, they were just at the event. This is why they all at cookie cutter arrest warrants, this is why they used a very low level justice of the peace to sign the arrest warrants and search warrants on siezed phones and such.
And $1 Million bail is not typical, and was not reasonable, as proven by the fact that in many cases it's gone from $1 million to something like $20,000.