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To: PROCON
Lincoln, after all, believed in an expansive exercise of the national power (at least by the standards of his day)

Lincoln championed the leaders to the European socialist revolutions of 1848.There were American advocates of marxism and socialism, such as Charles Dana and Horace Greely, who were influential in the nomination and election of Lincoln and were influential in the Union army. There were thirteen or more radical European socialists commonly known as "Forty Eighters", such as General Weydemeyer, Franz Sigel, and Carl Schurz who were Republican and officers in the Union army.These men were socialist, Marxist, or outright communists.

18 posted on 05/02/2015 2:04:45 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Lincoln championed the leaders to the European socialist revolutions of 1848.

Interesting. You have a link to a quote by Lincoln to that effect?

19 posted on 05/02/2015 2:09:05 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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The revolutions of 1848 were Liberal, in the classical sense, revolutions, not Socialist. Just about the entire population of the USA supported the 1848 Revolutions in that they reflected their own ideals. The only people who would have been opposed to the 1848 Revolutions were extreme Roman Catholics who championed absolutism. Lajos Kossuth of Hungary was only the second foreigner beside the Marquis de Lafayette to ever speak to a joint session of Congress.


20 posted on 05/02/2015 2:22:29 PM PDT by gusty
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The revolutions of 1848 were Liberal, in the classical sense, revolutions, not Socialist. Just about the entire population of the USA supported the 1848 Revolutions in that they reflected their own ideals. The only people who would have been opposed to the 1848 Revolutions were extreme Roman Catholics who championed absolutism. Lajos Kossuth of Hungary was only the second foreigner beside the Marquis de Lafayette to ever speak to a joint session of Congress.


21 posted on 05/02/2015 2:22:30 PM PDT by gusty
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Calling the revolutions of 1848 Marxist is just ignorant. In 1848 absolutely nobody knew who Marx or Engels were.

Marx’s most famous work, the Communist Manifesto, attempted to ride the wave of the revolution, but it had very little to do with inspiring it.

I’ve read a fair amount on Franz Sigel and am curious what you base your characterization of him as socialist on. You seem to assume that all revolutionists of 1848 were not legitimate. Odd from an Americans, whose Founders rebelled against a monarch a very great deal less oppressive than any of the continental kings.


26 posted on 05/02/2015 3:24:30 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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