Posted on 04/12/2015 3:58:09 AM PDT by IChing
LOL “if only Slager had stayed in his car”
the “no CPR”, or “delayed CPR”, or “Habersham didn’t do CPR” claims are all incorrect.
and that can be shown from the police radio record.
Here is the timeline and actions from the police radio recording.
https://soundcloud.com/tom-cleary-17
12:23 Slager (223) radios in shots fired
13:49 Habersham reports everyone 10-4 except the suspect. He reports Scott’s gunshot wound locations and reports Scott’s status as “unresponsive” (which is unconscious but breathing and has a pulse, so CPR not appropriate to this point)
16:47 Habersham (156) radios in Scott’s gunshot wound location for EMS. He again reports Scott’s condition as unresponsive.
17:22 another officer radios “214 has come on scene were do you want or need anybody”
17:29 Habersham answers “on the perimeter help contain the scene, starting chest compression” (this is CPR !)
19:43 officer radios EMS is on scene.
the victim’s condition was monitored, CPR was begun when appropriate, Habersham did the CPR.
I agree with your posts on this ‘incident’ ....as well as IChing...
....but surely, as long as you’ve been here, you must know there are people who post here who like to be contrary just because....
....or maybe they don’t really espouse the merits of Free Republic.
Personally, I’ve identified and skipped over their posts....and are just reading yours and IChing and a few others.
Saves my blood pressure.
1. The cop had no idea that all this guy was PREVIOUSLY guilty of was missing child support payments. The cop did know the guy was guilty of resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer with his own taser. Sounds like a dangerous individual to me.
2. The action of the cop drawing and firing stems immediately from the cop apparently being assaulted, tased, and freeing himself from his assailant’s reach. The cop is not aware whether or not the guy still has the taser and is able to trigger it again, potentially shocking and incapacitating him completely. The is no delay upon break contact for the cop pulling his weapon and firing. In fact, the cop is drawing when the guy in just a couple feet away. He fires the first shot when he is much closer than the last shot. The entire action of drawing and shooting is an immediate extension of a struggle in which the cop could have reasonable fear for his safety.
3. Have to ever been assaulted? It’s not like you have time to debate your options. The cop was in “fight mode,” responding to violence with violence. We can armchair quarterback how it should have been done, but unless you can say you’ve been tased by a criminal resisting arrest, you can’t pretend to be superior.
4. A lot of hoopla was made about the cop “planting evidence” on the guy. The extended video now shows that to be bullcrap. The cop was retrieving a dangerous weapon to a safe distance AND THEN later picks it back up and secures it on his person before anyone beyond the second cop arrives. So much for the planting evidence crap.
Evidence planting is BS. The cop retrieves the taser and secures it on his person before anyone else arrives. He was clearly just moving a potentially dangerous weapon that he lost control of to a safe distance, then later secures it on his person.
You have to watch the whole video and not just the little segment the lefties have conveniently cut out for you.
The cop retrieves the taser and secures it on his person before anyone else arrives.
Why did he drop it on the ground first?
You need to be reminded that in his report habersham states he IMMEDIATELY began CPR when he arrived on the scene...and what have you posted?
“12:23 Slager (223) radios in shots fired
13:49 Habersham reports everyone 10-4 except the suspect. He reports Scott’s gunshot wound locations and reports Scott’s status as “unresponsive” (which is unconscious but breathing and has a pulse, so CPR not appropriate to this point)
16:47 Habersham (156) radios in Scott’s gunshot wound location for EMS. He again reports Scott’s condition as unresponsive.
17:22 another officer radios “214 has come on scene were do you want or need anybody”
17:29 Habersham answers “on the perimeter help contain the scene, starting chest compression” (this is CPR !)
Gee looking at my watch that is 5 full minutes on earth...
Sit and watch 5 minutes go buy and see how long that is.
Talk about BS:
At the 1 minute mark Slagor jogs back to retrieve the taser...at 1.30 he drops it by scott..
At the 2 minute mark you can clearly see him pick up the taser that he tossed down and holster it on his left side.
Or are my eyes lying?
Everthing I have posted either comes from the same source the OP used or has been released by the officials.
And how about that magical teleporting taser that slager picked up TWICE.
At the 1 minute mark Slagor jogs back to retrieve the taser...at 1.30 he drops it by scott..
At the 2 minute mark you can clearly see him pick up the taser that he tossed down and holster it on his left side.
Interestingly, the Founding Fathers saw no need to "pay the police" to "pursue confrontations" with the former citizens, who are now apparently feudal peasants.
As one police booster posted, there are some 900,000 police in the United States.
That's one law enforcement person for every 350 peasants. If that law enforcement person is a Slager, then each one of his "charges" could be "confronted" once a year.
That's great for the revenue bottom line!
Wonder how the Founders got along without the Confrontration Club dangling above their heads every minute of the day?
It's pretty plain that many here are quite comfortable with this state of affairs, however...
Remember, folks - this is a Constitutional website, not a Great Big Giant Police State booster website. :)
Yup...the teleporting taser:
At the 1 minute mark Slagor jogs back to retrieve the taser...
at 1.30 he drops it by scott..
At the 2 minute mark you can clearly see him pick up the taser that he tossed down and holster it on his left side.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/apr/08/us-police-fatal-shooting-south-carolina-phone-footage-viral-video
There is a difference between legal and morally right. Cops serve a necessary function but are not all heros and certainly don’t risk their lives every day. Nor is everyone out to kill a cop. Cops also aren’t out to kill people, at least not the vast majority of cops.
Some cops are looking to add a notch to their gun, and I’ve spoken face to face with them. They are trained that every encounter could be their last. Some (including federal) use targets of little children and pregnant women for shooting practice to desensitize themselves.
People here defended the SF cop who shot the guy laying on the ground handcuffed. People here will defend every cop in every cop shooting or story about police abuse.
The kill or be killed training, rambo mentality, and tendency to support a fellow cop regardless of how corrupt or immoral has got to stop.
That garbage is part of anarcho-tyranny:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_T._Francis#Anarcho-tyranny
Sam Francis wrote: What we have in this country today, then, is both anarchy (the failure of the state to enforce the laws) and, at the same time, tyranny – the enforcement of laws by the state for oppressive purposes; the criminalization of the law-abiding and innocent through exorbitant taxation, bureaucratic regulation, the invasion of privacy, and the engineering of social institutions, such as the family and local schools; the imposition of thought control through "sensitivity training" and multiculturalist curricula, "hate crime" laws, gun-control laws that punish or disarm otherwise law-abiding citizens but have no impact on violent criminals who get guns illegally, and a vast labyrinth of other measures. In a word, anarcho-tyranny.
And he also wrote: The laws that are enforced are either those that extend or entrench the power of the state and its allies and internal elites ... or else they are the laws that directly punish those recalcitrant and "pathological" elements in society who insist on behaving according to traditional norms – people who do not like to pay taxes, wear seat belts, or deliver their children to the mind-bending therapists who run the public schools; or the people who own and keep firearms, display or even wear the Confederate flag, put up Christmas trees, spank their children, and quote the Constitution or the Bible – not to mention dissident political figures who actually run for office and try to do something about mass immigration by Third World populations.
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See, if we didn't have this state of affairs, what few police that we needed would have the FULL SUPPORT of the citizens, not peasants.
Malefactors who laid a hand on what would then be the true protectors of the populace would be dealt with swiftly, without all the shilly-shallying that goes on now.
This is what happened in the past, when we had less police, and there was no Managerial State using the police as gunthugs and revenue collectors.
The cop retreives the taser from where the cop threw it. He then throws the taser next to the suspect. This is not securing it.
Its the definition of planting evidence.
None so blind as those that refuse to see.
No Mas. Have a great day my FRiend.
Its the definition of planting evidence.
Don't try confusing us with the facts, drift.
Filmers are going to be in great danger in the future.
Which is as it should be, in a Managerial State.
Slager caused the assault by pursuing Scott for the "crime" of "contempt of cop".
Slager had Scott's details, his car, and his passenger.
He just didn't have Scott's "respect", and he was going to By God get it, even if he had to kill Scott.
Effing peasant, anyway.
This country was founded on Defiance of Authority.
Don’t confuse you with the facts, your mind’s already made up.
Again, you are watching ONLY the part of the video that the press has decided to show you. Go to Conservative Treehouse and watch the WHOLE video. The following is the sequence of events:
1. Something is dislodged and falls on the ground during the struggle.
2. The cop shoots Scott.
3. The cop secures/cuffs Scott.
4. Another officer arrives (all happening within seconds).
5. Slager jogs back and retrieves *whatever* fell on the ground.
6. Cop returns to Scott and drops object on the ground near Scott.
7. Two cops are triaging Scott.
8. *Before anyone else arrives*, Slager says something about getting shocked, then reaches down and picks up whatever he threw on the ground and secures it on his person.
If this is an attempt to plant evidence, then it’s a pretty poor attempt. He “plants” the evidence in the presence of a cop, the REMOVES the “planted” evidence in the presence of the SAME cop before any one else arrives and secures it on his person.
We can argue all we want about touching anything, but the cop was in an excited state due to a foot pursuit, struggle, and shooting. For all I know, he retrieved the object because he thought he shouldn’t leave a dangerous thing lying around, then realized that it was still just “lying there” next to the body and tucked it away.
Have you ever been physically assaulted? I have been. In college, a drunk guy tried to hit me in the head with a baseball bat because he thought I was attacking his roommate. (The roommate and I were wrestling, laughing, with others standing around, and even taking breaks to remove glasses and catch our breath.) Luckily, the guy was drunk, so I was able to take the bat away. A fight ensued, during which I kicked the crap out of the guy that attacked me. I don’t think he landed any blows. Because there was a fight, I was arrested. As I stood in front of the judge, he ludicrously asked me, “After you got the bat away, why didn’t you run?”
Uh... because I was actively engaged in melee... heat of the moment... *I had just been attacked by a guy with a baseball bat.*
Your perspective changes radically in the moment. I am not prepared to judge this cop’s perspective from the safety of FreeRepublic with small, edited snippets of a video that don’t tell the whole story.
Have we learned nothing from Martin and Brown?
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