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Leo McNeil ^ | February 20, 2015 | Leo McNeil

[Elsie]

Verse 28 is very interesting, because Jesus mentions the prophets.

Yes He did.

Ever hear of FALSE Prophets?

I'm sure that your chosen religion has none of those; right?

What does it take to identify a False prophet?

[Elsie]

What does it take to identify a False prophet?

 

Do ANY of you "damned " SLC mormons reading reply #67, who has gotten any information from your church, that old B.Y. was:

 

1. Speaking the very words of GOD

2. Drunk

3. On peyote

4. REALLY upset at SOMEone

5. Or just running his mouth as a man: a mere mortal, prone to the slings and arrows that beset us all or do you

6. just accept the FACT that you are, truly, damned for not following your Scripture found in D&C 132:58-66?

[Elsie]

<>You or your churches have not added one piece of information about God in 2000 years.

Hallelujah!

"It is finished."

[Elsie]

God doesn't talk to your preachers.

HMMMmmm...

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"Joseph; I advise you not to go to that jail."

 

"Darn gnats!!"

 

 

"Joseph; I'm telling you to not to go to that jail."

 

"Flies are BAD today!!"

 

 

"Joseph; It ain't gonna be pretty if you ignore me and go to that jail!"

 

"Crummy mosquitos are EVERYWHERE!!!"

 

 

"Joseph!  Do NOT go to that jail!"

 

"And those bedbugs really savaged me last night, too!"

 

 

"JOSEPH!!  Wake up boy!   Do Not Go To That JAIL!!!"

 

"All right Sheriff - here I am, so give me a nice room while my Lawyer, my Advocate, my Comforter presents the LAW to the Judge and I am VINDICATED!!!"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

 

 

JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?

JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?

JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?

JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!

JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.

JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!

JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.

JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.

JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?

JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)

JESUS: That's it.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: Nah - it was right.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.

JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.

JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!

JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?

JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....

JESUS: What did you say?

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.

JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.

JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.

JESUS: No...

JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?

JESUS: Nope.

JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!

JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.

JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.

JESUS: No; it wasn't.

JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?

JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?

JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.

JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.

JOSEPH SMITH: But....

[Colofornian]

Furthermore, the overall fruit of those who most preach paedobaptists is that of liberalism, in contrast to those who most preach it follows repentance and faith.

Of all of your comments, this one is THE most disrespectful to the Protestant Reformers who all practiced infant baptism (Calvin, Zwingli, Luther, Martin Bucer, others).

Is this the comment you're going to attempt to slam in their heavenly face when you see them there?

"Hey, John, hey, Martins, hey Huldrych...your overall 'fruit' -- due to the preaching of infant baptism -- was liberalism." ????

I think due to your forthcoming eternal relationship with these brothers, that you reconsider this direct slam of them.

And, btw, I'll give you a hint: (No, their "fruit" was far from liberalism!)

[Colofornian]

Nor is this age of accountability originally a Mormonic doctrine, but recognized long before that.

The Biblical references you cite here, except to a small degree Deut 1:39, don't fit ANY support of a so-called arbitrary "age of accountability."

Isaiah 7 is in reference to a "defense" -- a refusal to do evil.

Any age you provide as an "age of accountability" beyond the references you gave are of "no account":

Deut 1:39 references "little ones" who have yet to gain "knowledge between good and evil" ... and of the many toddlers & kindergarteners & early primary-age kids I've been around, I can GUARANTEE you these kids know quite a bit about "knowledge between good and evil."

Really the diatribes against infant baptism are really a slight misnomer...because they also become unbiblically justified diatribes vs. toddler baptism, kindergartener baptism, early primary age baptism as well!

[Colofornian]

Wrong: For the vast majority of descriptions of baptisms are those of souls who repented and believed, manifesting moral cognizance, and thus exclude infants but can include teens, and even souls young enough to "morally "know to refuse the evil, and choose the good." (Isaiah 7:16)

So toddlers have some "knowledge between good and evil" (beyond the Deut 1:39 of "no knowledge" description) ... toddlers are able to "choose the good" ... toddlers are able to express faith in prayer... toddlers are able to repent...

So what reasons do you have that you militate against them and keep them from "coming unto Jesus" in baptism?

Same question for kindergarteners and first graders.

[Theophilus]

How can an infant believe? 

How does anyone believe. Belief come from God not the intellectual capacity of the believer.

Matthew 19:14 
But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

[StormPrepper]

[Elise]Why do you say the Bible is the only word of God?

I rather answer the question that should have been asked: "Why doesn’t the LDS Church officially use the Inspired Version rather than the King James Bible?"

Yes, I understand that it's so much more fun to pull imagined splinters out of someone else's eye....but...lets stick with the beam in yours for the time being.

Lets try this again: Why do you say the Bible is the only word of God?

Surely you have an answer right? Surely you've put some thought in to this, right?? Surely you're not walking around proclaiming, "A Bible a Bible we have a Bible and we not any more Bible!", with out knowing why....

[StormPrepper]

[Elise]”Hallelujah!

“It is finished.””

So everything that can be invented, has been invented?

Clearly your assertion is wrong. The Apostles continued to have revelations from God long after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

This has always been God’s intent from the time of Adam.

The only time this has been interrupted was after John the Revelator was taken from the earth. There was no one left that could receive direct communication from God. They had all been killed.

God’s work is not complete until the final judgement. This is why Rev 11 speaks of latter-day prophets.

No LC, Jesus is following is own rule:

Acts 5:
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:

When you encounter teachers of a false gospel, just let them alone.

[StormPrepper]

"Ever hear of FALSE Prophets?"

Yes, I can think of one, and his followers are spreading murder and mayhem though out the world.

Here's another

But the fact that there are false prophets does not mean there aren't TRUE prophets. (Rev 11)

[StormPrepper]

[Stormprepper]Bible = 0% evidence...well...because.

[Elise]Really???

Do you have any evidence of the flood, flaming hover chariots, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, Adam, Even, Noah’s giant boat, the miracles of Christ, Christ’s resurrection, John’s vision, war in heaven, etc...

You weren’t going to say “well we know where Jerusalem is..” were you?

[daniel1212]

toddlers are able to express faith in prayer... toddlers are able to repent.

If they can then they can be believe and be baptized, but Scripture clearly speaks of a time before then can.

[daniel1212]

Isaiah 7 is in reference to a "defense" -- a refusal to do evil.

Which presupposes he understands what is evil based upon moral ground.

Deut 1:39 references "little ones" who have yet to gain "knowledge between good and evil" ... and of the many toddlers & kindergarteners & early primary-age kids I've been around, I can GUARANTEE you these kids know quite a bit about "knowledge between good and evil.

Fine then, but which does not equate to a 8 day old infant or such.

[daniel1212]

. Of all of your comments, this one is THE most disrespectful to the Protestant Reformers who all practiced infant baptism (Calvin, Zwingli, Luther, Martin Bucer, others). Is this the comment you're going to attempt to slam in their heavenly face when you see them there? "Hey, John, hey, Martins, hey Huldrych...your overall 'fruit' -- due to the preaching of infant baptism -- was liberalism." ????

I was referring to today in countering the assertion that Baptist and the South were liberal progressives. But the reformation needed to continue in degree, and the result of not separating from Rome more has resulted in such overall becoming more liberal as well.

[Elsie]

Lets try this again: Why do you say the Bible is the only word of God?

Let's go back further; to where I DID say what you've typed here.

[Elsie]

When you encounter teachers of a false gospel, just let them alone.

Only in your dreams!

Your 80,000 plus minions on doorsteps are out encountering those who, in LDS terms, have been taught a false gospel.

Will you recommend that they, too, leave people alone?

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Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Elsie]

Yes, I can think of one, and his followers are spreading murder and mayhem though out the world.

So; are you good with being DAMNED by the mouth of Brigham Young?

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The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,

and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,

 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”

 

-- Historian Robert Carter

[Elsie]

Do you have any evidence of the flood, flaming hover chariots, Hebrew slaves in Egypt, Adam, Even, Noah’s giant boat, the miracles of Christ, Christ’s resurrection, John’s vision, war in heaven, etc...

Do you have any evidence of the Golden Tablets, boats with holes in the bottom, Hebrew DNA in American Indians, Curloms, Steel being found in pre-Columbian America, Liahona, Magic Spectacles, Personage #2 ever saying ANYTHING, cities of Lamanites, war evidence from MASSIVE battles, etc...

Remember; it is YOUR religions claim to have RESTORED the Gospel and what was MISSING from Christianity. We are the bad guys, you are the good ones.

You should PROVE to the world the rightness of your position.

Why don't you use the JST again??