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To: Al Gore Vidal

“In a Libertarian sense one has ownership of oneself...”

Did you purchase yourself? Do you have a receipt or deed of ownership? This point needs to be demonstrated, if you can do it.

“Isn’t this right derived from the control of the “matter” of the body.”

If I borrow my friend’s car, I have control of it, but I don’t own it, nor do I have any of the rights associated with such ownership. Ownership of a material thing might confer rights with regard to it, but control, in and of itself? If that were the case, every thief could assert rights over whatever they laid their hands on.

“I should have stated at the beginning that the starting point for my conception of “natural rights” was Nature not the Creator of the nature.”

Well, I’m afraid that you are going to be chasing your tail in that case. How can nature give something to us that nature itself doesn’t possess?


14 posted on 01/27/2015 1:42:56 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Did you purchase yourself? Do you have a receipt or deed of ownership? This point needs to be demonstrated, if you can do it.”

Do you need to buy or have a deed to yourself in order to “own” your body. Ownership of yourself would mean the conscious, self-control of it. And it would be in a material sense. Nobody can take over my body without resorting to the threat of violence, i.e. slavery.


20 posted on 01/27/2015 2:31:49 PM PST by Al Gore Vidal
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To: Boogieman

“If I borrow my friend’s car, I have control of it, but I don’t own it, nor do I have any of the rights associated with such ownership. Ownership of a material thing might confer rights with regard to it, but control, in and of itself? If that were the case, every thief could assert rights over whatever they laid their hands on.”

The object owned and the owner are the same thing when it comes to the individual “owning” themselves. In every other instance this is not true. This is why control is a key factor in the ownership of yourself. A thief cannot kidnap you, claim ownership and then magically gain physical control over your body without the threat of violence.


21 posted on 01/27/2015 2:41:13 PM PST by Al Gore Vidal
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