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To: DiogenesLamp
My theory is that what we see as the "official" birth certificate is nothing but a computer generated replacement birth certificate designed to look like one from 1961. There are issues with it that have nothing to do with layers. One of the most prominent is the spacing of letters. Some are off horizontally and some are off vertically. A typewriter cannot do this unless someone loosens the rollers from the platen. Given the numerous examples of where characters don't line up properly and in so many different places, it is improbable that someone would have removed the document or loosened the rollers from the platen so many times.

It's absurd that the HDoH would have gone to such trouble to fabricate an amended BC, especially since they do not give out the long form unless under pressure from the likes of Bob Bauer.

The certificate contains typewritten entries, handwritten entries, and what look like pencil marks, probably checkoffs made by an official cross-checking the certificate. No doubt it was rolled into manual typewriters multiple times. So it's no surprise the spacing is not up to laser-printer standards. The attending physician's signature was verified by his widow.

Of course, if you are contemplating forgery by the HDoH, lot's of things are possible. However, the contemporaneous birth announcement blows those theories out of the water in any case. Remember, Toot didn't place the announcement. The announcement appears in two separate papers, each containing the same list of babies in the same order.

Issuing an opaque amended certificate is trivial for the short form, because it's just the printout of a database query. You want to amend a database? There's a computer language for that. It's called SQL. Plus, the short form omits a lot of details, so they simply aren't there to be amended in the first place.

If he had an amended long form on file, it wouldn't look like the thing the White House posted. It would look like something somewhat removed from the actual birth attended by an actual doc. Something like a long short form or a short long form.

However, if in fact Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, it's likely the records never left Indonesia and were never submitted to the HDoH. Therefore, there would have been no need for Obama, Sr., to have caused the HDoH to amend anything. And, even if Lolo Soetoro did indeed adopt Obama, that's merely an interesting fact, of no significance.

Nowadays they say "True and correct copy of the document on file or an abstract thereof." Basically a meaningless certification.

Tell it to the judge.

234 posted on 01/27/2015 4:24:26 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
Of course, if you are contemplating forgery by the HDoH, lot's of things are possible.

When a replacement birth certificate is created by the state, we don't call it "forgery."

The attending physician's signature was verified by his widow.

I have a replacement birth certificate because I was adopted. It has a signature of a doctor on it too, even though all the information on it is fabricated.

You see, this is where a lot of people go amiss. Most people are unfamiliar with the methods and procedures of adoption. They do not realize that the 50 states generate about 100,000 fake birth certificates every year.

However, if in fact Lolo Soetoro adopted Obama, it's likely the records never left Indonesia and were never submitted to the HDoH.

I believe Lolo and Stanly Ann were married in Hawaii, and lived there for awhile before going to Indonesia. I expect Barry was adopted shortly after the marriage.

242 posted on 01/28/2015 6:01:05 AM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: cynwoody; butterdezillion

‘However, the contemporaneous birth announcement blows those theories out of the water in any case. Remember, Toot didn’t place the announcement. The announcement appears in two separate papers, each containing the same list of babies in the same order.’

Butterdezillion has spent a lot of time studying the birth announcements, and she reports that the lists from the two papers are far from identical:

“The Nordyke twins’ announcement doesn’t appear in the Star-Bulletin anywhere, although they appear in the Advertiser. The lists between the 2 papers are not identical in any way, shape, or form. There are people whose births were announced in one paper 3 weeks after they were announced in the other paper. There are people (like Nordykes) who made it in one paper but not the other.

Based on the analysis I’ve done of all the August births reported, if the Star-Bulletin only published Oahu births (which is the kindest way to explain the numbers in support of the announcements coming from the HDOH office), 26% of the August births on Oahu were not included in the S-B announcements. If you exclude an estimated 100 illegitimate births (There were 1,044 in all of HI for all of 1961 according to the CDC’s 1961 Natality Report) that might not have been reported for embarrassment reasons, that still leaves 18% of all August 1961 births on Oahu unreported. If the papers printed a complete listing of all Hawaii births that percentage would be even higher.

And I may as well say here, also, that there are signs that the microfilm having the Nordyke announcement has been changed out since the first images appeared also. The first images that appeared were sent to somebody by the Hawaii State Library librarian (just like the images for Obama’s announcements), and just like the Obama announcements, marks that were on that image from the librarian are now missing from that microfilm at the HSL. The marks show up even when the actual announcement is placed at the top of the viewer-copier and when it is placed at the bottom, so the marks cannot be from the viewer or copier but from the actual microfilm itself.

So there are not clean-cut lists that show up in both papers identically. The only reason the lists for the Aug 13th Advertiser and Aug 14th Star-Bulletin appear to be identical is because the Star-Bulletin image was enlarged so that the only announcements that showed were the ones that were also in the Advertiser. In reality there were 26 more announcements in the Aug 14th Star-Bulletin that didn’t make it into the Aug 13th Advertiser.

Anybody who actually looked at those microfilms would have easily seen that, which leads me to believe that the Advertiser reporter Will Hoover did not look in the Advertiser’s microfilms and make those copies himself but was given them by somebody else. Either that, or he deliberately lied about the lists being identical in order to claim the lists were from the HDOH office.

The lies we were told were not just about where the images came from. These people were absolutely counting on nobody actually going and checking out the actual microfilms because they pulled so many fast ones on the general public it’s not even funny. Hopefully the truth can eventually come out where even folks like Bill O’Reilly have to grasp it.”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2668269/posts?page=352#355


252 posted on 01/28/2015 9:45:19 AM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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