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Robert E. Lee, Southern Heritage, Media Bias, and Al Sharpton
Canada Free Press ^ | 01/15/15 | Gail Jarvis

Posted on 01/15/2015 10:05:46 AM PST by Sean_Anthony

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To: whtabtbill
Not excusing slavery here in our states, but most slaves had a better life here.

In Paradise Lost Satan says that he'd rather reign in Hell than serve in Heaven. I think that pretty much sums up slavery or freedom. I personally cannot imagine any situation, no matter how bad, that wouldn't be preferable to being someone's property. Can you?

21 posted on 01/15/2015 11:58:40 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Actually you don’t know one way are the other, there is a reason that even liberal blacks sometimes come to thank God for their ancestors being purchased by someone that moved them from African slavery to American slavery.


22 posted on 01/15/2015 12:04:11 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: DoodleDawg

As someone who has never known slavery, of course I cannot imagine being held against my will and it would be a false equivalency to compare our lifetime of moving freely to those that mostly didn’t know anything of the sort. I would rather not compare apples to oranges.


23 posted on 01/15/2015 12:04:24 PM PST by whtabtbill
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To: DoodleDawg

There was no concept of freedom in tropical Africa

Still isn’t much

You should read actual published slave interviews conducted by WPA in 30s with surviving slaves

It’s educational

Africa wasn’t Roots anymore than Appalachia is Deliverance

It was a rough place

Lots of injustice in early 1800s by our sensitive barometer

I wonder what tropical Africa would be like today if never touched by whites or any other non negro?

Bucolic

Idyllic

What about America. Only Amerindians

We live in weak foolish times puffed up with a moral superiority over past injustice we never earned

Which is why Islam is on the move while we hand wring

Slavery in the North America is the best thing that ever happened to the blacks who live here descended from slaves

If not there is nothing keeping them from returning to the Congo river basin anymore so than I’m encumbered from returning to Great Britain

So bye


24 posted on 01/15/2015 12:13:02 PM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: wardaddy

Excellent response!


25 posted on 01/15/2015 12:15:15 PM PST by whtabtbill
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To: ansel12
Actually you don’t know one way are the other, there is a reason that even liberal blacks sometimes come to thank God for their ancestors being purchased by someone that moved them from African slavery to American slavery.

All I can do is speak for me. And you can speak for yourself. What circumstances would make you want to be a slave?

26 posted on 01/15/2015 12:17:31 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: whtabtbill
...to those that mostly didn’t know anything of the sort.

My understanding is most Africans who wound up being shipped to the Americas as slaves were not slaves before being abducted. They were in control of their own lives for the most part. And they didn't volunteer for slavery. It was forced upon them. I'm sure that, given a choice, they'd have declined the opportunity. Any rational person would.

27 posted on 01/15/2015 12:21:55 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Pelham; wardaddy

You have to search high and low to find it-—the victors really do write the history books-—but it’s a plain fact that blacks were viewed as subhuman by Northerners. The lives of blacks were made miserable in the northern states.

Nor was slavery completely extinct there by the time of the Civil War. I believe New Jersey still had a few slaves in 1865.

Every time I see this self-righteous preening and condemnation of the South as the devil, I keep all of that in mind.

If I don’t respond for a while, it’s because I’m leaving to run some errands. I’ll be back later.


28 posted on 01/15/2015 12:27:30 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization.))
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To: wardaddy
You should read actual published slave interviews conducted by WPA in 30s with surviving slaves.

Actually I have read a lot of them. Not all, but a lot. And I admit that many spoke of kind masters and decent treatment, far more than those who spoke of cruel masters and bad conditions. Many spoke of tough times they faced after being freed. But in all the ones I read I don't recall a single person ever saying that they wished they were still a slave.

It was a rough place

It was their home. Why wouldn't that be preferable to being someone's property?

We live in weak foolish times puffed up with a moral superiority over past injustice we never earned

We're talking about 150-plus years ago so where it the relevance?

29 posted on 01/15/2015 12:29:35 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Why do you want to change the subject?


30 posted on 01/15/2015 12:33:20 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12
Why do you want to change the subject?

OK. I don't recall any of those liberal blacks who are glad their ancestors were brought here wishing that they were a slave.

Better?

31 posted on 01/15/2015 12:41:43 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

Exactly.

Why is it relevant today for you and others here to harp on Dixie like you do?

Great question

But let me be clear

If you want an honest appraisal of how blacks and other minorities behave and think and where they come from I’m your man

I’ll go toe to toe

Few here will

They are scared

Which is why you’re side wins the culture war


32 posted on 01/15/2015 12:47:19 PM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: DoodleDawg

Again, why do you want to change the subject? Now you want to start talking about people desiring to become slaves.

Are you drinking are something?


33 posted on 01/15/2015 12:53:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: DoodleDawg
We're talking about 150-plus years ago so where it the relevance?

Where is the relevance to any of these theories on what others would have preferred in another time, when the subject of the thread is Robert E. Lee, with an aside swipe at Obama for his Al Sharpton relationship?

Robert E. Lee freed his own slaves, but he expressed an opinion, based on more accurate information on his times than anyone here can possibly pretend to have. His opinion deserves respect; his nobility of character was acknowledged as much by those he fought against in the War, as by his own men.

No one here is advocating slavery; and neither did Lee. Most of us, here, know enough about history to realize the absurdity of throwing "slavery" into discussions not really relevant to it. That absurdity can be illustrated by some salient facts from human history. Just about every people had a period--usually a very extensive period--when much of the physical labor was done by folk in some form of bondage; whether by bondsmen, employed by the Patriarchs & Kings in the Old Testament; serfs employed throughout the feudal eras in Europe & Asia; or slaves in Africa & the Americas.

History is also replete with evidence of the heroism of some of those bondsmen, serfs & slaves. People need to get over allowing themselves to be played by demagogues (such as Obama) and scoundrels such as Sharpton, who seize every grievance they can exploit, to promote ongoing hatred over events that took place long before anyone now living could possibly testify in any evidentiary hearing as to what exactly was true about those events, which could be translated into some form of ongoing grievance.

Frankly, some of this speculation is a libel against the Southern Negro, most of whom remained loyal to the Old South during the War in which Robert E. Lee defended Virginia and her people--all of her people, including some who owed their status as free men to his kindness. (On this point, consider an educated, highly honorable witness, who was alive in the era, Booker T. Washington; himself, perhaps the greatest true champion of the American Negro in American History.)

William Flax

34 posted on 01/15/2015 12:57:57 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: DoodleDawg

Do you fret so over the treatment of Indians by whites

Morality wise in my view it was far worse

Honestly.

Do you wax and point fingers about Wounded Knee or Sand Creek and all the rest the same as you do slavery and I assume Jim Crow

The culture of this nation is now poisoned utterly by victim hood and white demonization and southerners are obviously lowest hanging fruit in this climate

Try to resist

I know it makes one feel morally preeminent and appears like it’s any easy way to win arguments

But victim culture and the demonization of whites and western civilization in general as the bogeyman.....yes..,,the negro slave trade and colonization both

Enables our enemies

Hell they do it too and use it against us

So think about it


35 posted on 01/15/2015 1:03:11 PM PST by wardaddy (glenn beck is a nauseous politically correct conservative on LSD)
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To: wardaddy
Hi wardaddy:

Glad to see you standing up for your heritage. The fact that almost every time, someone honors a genuine American hero, here, those conditioned by what I lave labelled an Academic/Media complex, have to try to divert the discussion into some form of apologetic hand-wringing over events, only marginally--at best--related to the subject, needs to be addressed.

Why should we bother with letting them distract us? Because they epitomize the fallacious analysis that has undermined the pride of our rooted population in the cultural achievements that have made the America we were born in possible in the first place.

As you understand very well, the frothy injection of disparagement for American role models, reflects the same conditioning of the susceptible, which made the election of Obama--at best only an accidental American--possible in the first place.

William Flax

36 posted on 01/15/2015 1:11:29 PM PST by Ohioan
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To: DoodleDawg
Depends on one's point of view, I guess. I cannot imagine a situation where I would consider being owned as someone's property as being better off.

Since slavery was also an accepted practice in much of Africa (and remains so in certain African countries to this day), I don't see your point, unless you want to claim that poverty and slavery of blacks in the Confederacy was so much worse than poverty and slavery in Africa.

37 posted on 01/15/2015 1:15:16 PM PST by ek_hornbeck
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To: Ohioan

I’m no fanboi of REL but I agree that it is tantamount to slander to mention him in the same breath as sharpton.


38 posted on 01/15/2015 1:53:43 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: DoodleDawg

Did you read what went before? He didn’t think abolition should be accomplished through war.


39 posted on 01/15/2015 1:56:26 PM PST by odawg
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To: DoodleDawg

True, but have you ever noticed how much you are taxed? We pay more tax than the serfs did during the Middle Ages. To the extent you are taxed by force, you are owned.


40 posted on 01/15/2015 1:59:56 PM PST by odawg
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