WI: Armed Robber Killed by Armed man who did not wait to be searched

Gun Watch ^ | 11 January, 2015 | Dean Weingarten

[marktwain]

The barber shop seems to be behind the red neon sign in the upper story.

Armed robbery requires a large number of disarmed victims.  If a significant number of potential victims are armed, armed robbery becomes a suicide mission.  Large numbers of violent criminals die young already.   It is one of the reasons that the life expectancy for black men is four years lower than for white men.   As more law abiding black people learn that they can trust the process, can obtain a concealed carry permit, and can go about legally armed without being abused by the police, black on black armed robbery becomes more and more dangerous.

In Milwaukee, on Friday, the 9th of January, an armed robber was shot and killed as he was patting down men that he was robbing in the Level Up Barber Shop.   One of them did not wait to be patted down.  He drew his legally carried pistol and shot the robber.  The robber died.  No one else was hurt.

It is very difficult for an armed robber to keep track of a number of people all at once, while doing everything else he has to do to get the loot and escape.  They almost always become distracted by something, giving a legally armed person an opportunity to stop the crime.

It turns out that the customer that shot the robber was not the only person in the shop with a concealed carry permit.  One of the co-owners of the shop was there when it happened.  He has a concealed carry permit as well. 
From wisn.com:

Ty said he also has a concealed-carry permit and is always on guard because of the violence in Milwaukee.

"The crime rate is so high. It's like nobody wants to work for an honest living anymore," Ty said.

While we do not know if the robbery suspect who was killed was black, Ty, the co-owner is black, and the barber shop is in a dominantly black area.   Black on white crime is a tiny fraction of black on black crime.  Milwaukee has a majority of the homicides in Wisconsin, and most of the homicides in Milwaukee are black on black.

The crime rate is likely to continue to drop, even in high crime urban centers, as more criminals are shot.  It only takes a small number of violent criminals to create an enormous number of crimes.

From David Kennedy, the renowned criminal justice professor and co-chair of the National Network for safe communities:

 “We now know that homicide and gun violence are overwhelmingly concentrated among serious offenders operating in groups: gangs, drug crews, and the like representing under half of one percent of a city's population who commit half to three-quarters of all murders.” 

This also shows that the majority of black urban center's population are not violent criminals.   The majority of law abiding black people will reap enormous benefits as the crime rate is reduced.

The crime rate has fallen precipitously as more and more people legally carry arms for defense, and as more and more criminals stay in prison for longer periods.   Reduce the number of violent criminals in the population, and you reduce the number of violent crimes.

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[marktwain]

More and more citizens are becoming armed citizens.

[Sasparilla]

Refuse to be an armed robbery or terrorist victim.

[MNlurker]

The community taking Sheriff David Clarkes radio PSA’s to heart. Every little bit will help.

[Blood of Tyrants]

How many crimes does the average thug commit before he gets caught or shot? It is a fairly large number IIRC.

[Mouton]

Remember this adage: I carry a gun because I cannot carry of cop.

[csvset]

While we do not know if the robbery suspect who was killed was black

This just in. (cue teletype sound )

Milwaukee police release name of would-be robber killed at barbershop

Deandre D. Sturdivant, 20, was fatally shot about 12:30 p.m. Friday inside Level Up Barber Shop in the 4900 block of N. 31st St. Investigators believe Sturdivant attempted to rob patrons at the barbershop when one of the robbery victims fired a gun, police have said.

Quick search of name resulted in this pic of Deandre.

[ncpatriot]

Jesse James of the Old West robbed banks but no citizen stopped him & gang even tho there were no gun laws then (to my knowledge). I find this strange that the citizens did not stop him or other robbers of the era.

[sport]

Banks, in general, were not popular with the Citizenry back then. They were, at best, considered a necessary evil. most bankers were regarded as crooks. However they are cases where the Citizenry made sure that their town bank was the last one that bunch of robbers robbed. I believe that the Dalton Gang met its demise after successfully robbing a bank. They got the money, but when they went out in the street that is where their troubles begin. And ended. They went from the street to Boot Hill.

[painter]

That is not entirely true. The James gang was also part of the Dalton gang. There was a time when the Dalton gang tried to rob a bank in a town. The word got out while it was happening and a lot if it’s citizens pulled out their firearms and shot at least half of the gang before they could get out of town.

[painter]

Talk about parallel posts!

[WayneS]

Well done, sir! Well done.

[WayneS]

Have you ever heard of Northfield, Minnesota?

[WayneS]

Not 100% correct.

The Dalton gang met its demise in Coffeyville, Kansas, in 1892.

The James-Youger gang got shot up in Northfield Minnesota, in 1876.

The two gangs were not even really contemporaries.

But that DOES make two examples of citizens going in to action to halt bank robbers.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***If a significant number of potential victims are armed, armed robbery becomes a suicide mission.***

AS NYC used to be before the SULLIVAN LAW.

[teeman8r]

deandre is just another statistic.

his end will help lower the crime rate.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Remember the Jesse James disaster at Northfield? They were shot to pieces by the citizens.

And the same for the Daltons at Coffeeville KS.

The Al Spencer gang shot up in Arkansas.
Henry Starr, who robbed more banks than anyone at that time, shot in Stroud, OK, went to prison, then met his demise in Harrison Ark.

[marktwain]

Less famous was the Eureka Springs bank robbery/gunfight. Hostages were taken but not killed. No citizen hit, all four robbers shot, two of them killed. It happened 46 years after the James-Younger gang was shot up in Northfield Minnesota:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2014/03/eureka-springs-gunfight-showed.html

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

The big reason that banks were looked at askance goes back to the Panic of 1837, America’s worst depression until the Great Depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1837

At the time, many banks issued their own currencies.

Earlier the state of New York had issued bonds to build the Erie Canal, which was a huge success, being finished before schedule and under cost, so the bonds paid a fortune.

So other states decided to do similar canal systems, and issued bonds before doing engineering studies, which soon showed they wouldn’t work. Then endless numbers of people who had invested their life savings in the bonds were wiped out, right when Andrew Jackson issued his “Specie Circular”, which wiped out all of the bank currencies and thousands of smaller banks, most of which were just small businesses with little or no specie.

So the typical person regarded banks with the same disdain that they gave a hearty dose of the clap.

[shotgun]

Back when I worked as a pipefitter I met and had the pleasure to work with Charlie Starr, who was also a pipefitter. He was the great nephew of Belle Starr and was honored every year in his home town founders day parades...

[MasterGunner01]

An armed society is a polite society. — Robert A. Heinlein