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NY: Man who shot Dog found Justified, most States have Similar law
Gun Watch ^ | 7 January, 2014 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 01/09/2015 3:33:50 AM PST by marktwain

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Animals owners are responsible for the actions of their animal.
1 posted on 01/09/2015 3:33:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

The next time my neighbor’s 4 lb. Yorkshire Terrier ankle-biter comes running up to me while I’m setting trash tubs by the curb—said little rat yapping non-stop and acting tough—I can drop-kick him back across the street into his own yard?


2 posted on 01/09/2015 3:44:10 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: marktwain

I love dogs. I currently own 2 Brittanies. And I would have done the same thing if a large dog attacked me.

I worked part time as a house painter in the 70s and 80s. In a well to do home owned by obnoxious snobs they had an ankle biter that would do just that (bite ankles) and the owners refused to put it in another room. I accidentally launched it across the room with the side of my foot. Oooooopsie. It still barked but kept its distance.


3 posted on 01/09/2015 3:58:05 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: tumblindice
"can I.."

Physically I would think you are

Morally -- perhaps

Legally -- definitely if this was on your property

4 posted on 01/09/2015 4:06:33 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: marktwain
Bullmastiffs and Cane Corsos are breeds that make Pit Bulls look tame by comparison

BS! Mastiffs and corsos are gentle giants and not deserving of this level of hyperbole. I've owned both mastiffs and cane corsos, and I've not had a single one act aggressive to another person or animal without presenting a threat. EVERY dog is going to be territorial and protect their home turf. My 15 year old half-blind, deaf, mini-dachshund will nip at your pant legs if she doesn't know your smell, and my 5 year old border collie will howl at anyone who comes knocking at the door. It's what they do.

Pits are a breed that, while maligned, have been interbred into what the public now perceives. They used to be gentle dogs used to protect house and human but are now considered, by and large, mentally unstable due to poor breeding habits and a pop culture desire for "fighting dogs." Mastiffs are still, in general, a loyal, stable breed capable of great affection and act as exceptional home protectors.

5 posted on 01/09/2015 4:14:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia
Another..." because I had a nice one, they are all nice" type.

Corsos are the breed that almost ate that woman in San Francisco.
6 posted on 01/09/2015 4:40:01 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann)
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To: Shimmer1

Do your research before you spout off at the lip, FRiend. The word ‘mastiff’ is a descendant translation of the Latin “mansuetus,” meaning “mild,” “gentle,” or “tame.” They are NOT aggressive breeds, they are just massive.


7 posted on 01/09/2015 4:42:50 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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Ok, so this didn’t happen. ok. Good to know.


8 posted on 01/09/2015 4:47:32 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann)
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My argument is with the author’s contention that the breed is more aggressive than pitbulls. That’s a hyperbolic accusation and completely unwarranted.

I am not arguing any of the FACTS in the article, just the assertions made by the author.


9 posted on 01/09/2015 4:50:00 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: tumblindice
The next time my neighbor’s 4 lb. Yorkshire Terrier ankle-biter comes running up to me while I’m setting trash tubs by the curb—said little rat yapping non-stop and acting tough—I can drop-kick him back across the street into his own yard?

And, if he goes between the gateposts, you might be picked up as a place kicker...

10 posted on 01/09/2015 4:54:34 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Vaquero
we had a home with a next door neighbor had 3 untrained shelties...yapping all the time, if I went in the back yard one or more would attack the fence...one of the kids had the dogs in the front yard (kid was about 10) not tied up...one of my son's parked his car and one of the dogs come after him....bad for doggie when my 6 foot 2 inch son drop kicked the dog back onto its front lawn.... Another neighbor on the other side had one of the dogs attack her and got her in the stomach. She was weeding her front shrubs...some people shouldn't have dogs, much less 3 and the woman was one that was snobby and just a tad better than any of her neighbors (her opinion, not the neighbors...
11 posted on 01/09/2015 5:28:10 AM PST by goat granny
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I don’t care what kind of dog anyone has. Dogs can be a man’s best friend and can be sociable animals. Dogs need to be trained to know what they are allowed and not allowed to do. they need to be trained as to where their territorial boundaries are. They can easily be trained, they want to please their masters. People who won’t take the time to train, teach and love their dog(s) shouldn’t have them.


12 posted on 01/09/2015 5:49:28 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: rarestia

Pit Bulls were bred as dogs to fight other animals.

Cane Corsos were bread as Roman war dogs.

Bullmastiffs were bread to catch and hold humans.

Bullmastiffs and Cane Corsos are both twice the size of Pit Bulls.

I think that make Pit Bulls look tame by comparison.

All three breeds need special care in socialization.

Cane Corsos and Bullmastiffs have a reputation of being particularly protective and suspicious of strangers, do they not?


13 posted on 01/09/2015 5:56:40 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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Any dog not under physical, verbal, electronic, or other CONTROL is deemed feral/wild and may be shot. Welcome to Arizona.


14 posted on 01/09/2015 5:57:37 AM PST by S.O.S121.500 (Had ENOUGH Yet ? ........................ Enforce the Bill of Rights ......... It's the LAW !!!)
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To: marktwain

bread should be bred... got it right the first spelling...


15 posted on 01/09/2015 5:58:18 AM PST by marktwain (The old media must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: Shimmer1

“Corsos are the breed that almost ate that woman in San Francisco.

I think that was the Canary Island dog - a preso


16 posted on 01/09/2015 6:26:38 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: tumblindice
Or, if you don't see it coming, you may be so startled that you drop said trash tub right on Mr. York.

Oops!

17 posted on 01/09/2015 6:35:02 AM PST by pa_dweller
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; rarestia
Thank you for correcting my memory. I have nothing against these breeds, but you know, just because someone says "I have one and he's so sweet!!" doesn't make them safe. Let me quote from an article about the woman in SF, mauled to death. "Noel said the animals had no history of aggression and had seen the victim on several occasions without acting aggressive." At least they were not aggressive....until they were.

I have to tell you, I'd be intimidated by a huge dog bounding at me, barking. If he attacked, I'd shoot. And I love dogs!
18 posted on 01/09/2015 6:47:25 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil. Thomas Mann)
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To: Vaquero

Small dogs do less damage, but can be just as ferocious as big dogs.

I don’t hate small dogs, but I hate most small dog owners. Because their little darlings can’t kill people, they are terrible about discipline. They allow the little brats to become absolute terrors.


19 posted on 01/09/2015 6:55:19 AM PST by Marie
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Remember that Cane Corsos are actually “Italian” Mastiffs. For the purposes of this discussion, I’m using mastiff universally for the large breed.

Mastiffs were bred for Roman bloodsport, and even then, it was their predecessor, not the actual breed we know now, that acted in that manner. Mastiffs were also used for baiting due to their size.

Mastiffs are NOT overly suspicious and will only attack if their masters are threatened. They were bred to be literal guard dogs: they put themselves between their master and the attacker to act as a shield. They do not generally attack unless directly provoked. They do not have the physiology to “catch” a human, esp. if that human is on the run, but they will pin down a person trying to harm their master. That is an advantage to their size.

Mastiffs are generally docile and will be passive around strange dogs, again, unless provoked. Mastiffs are docile around strangers, however, they will put themselves between their master and a stranger unless and until they are told otherwise. As a child, we had mastiffs who would come right up to a stranger to sniff them and then maneuver between the stranger and us as a matter of instinct. We would tell them to go “lay down” or otherwise get out of the way, and they were compliant.

Mastiffs, as with ANY breed, no matter the size, require socialization and should be taken through obedience training at a young age. There’s nothing unique about the mastiff that makes them any more “dangerous” if they’re not socialized. They are not a sprinting breed or otherwise intended to act as an aggressor in protective services. They are deterrent dogs meant to make someone think twice about attacking you.

I’ve been around thousands of dogs in my lifetime. I’ve felt physically uncomfortable around pits on numerous occasions, but I’ve never met a mastiff that felt “off” to me. It’s not in their DNA.


20 posted on 01/09/2015 6:58:56 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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