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Food for thought.
1 posted on 11/23/2014 7:40:35 PM PST by grey_whiskers
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Like, *PING*, folks.

Cheers!

2 posted on 11/23/2014 7:43:40 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Well written, and thanks. We might see a transition one way or another, and we might as well get to work at trying to come out of the transition into a better world. There are applications in progress for the following in technologies, too, with many people hard at work.

Permaculture and the Myth of Scarcity
http://www.resilience.org/stories/2014-10-02/permaculture-and-the-myth-of-scarcity


7 posted on 11/23/2014 8:07:22 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Oh...technologies. You’ve been a software developer (re. “race condition”)? The following is not what it might appear to be, and there are good reasons for that. Please, just have a look (20 minute video). It’s a way out of the mess.

Marcin Jakubowski - The Open Source Economy | @marioninstitute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIIzogiUHFY

http://opensourceecology.org/

There’s nothing wrong with a technocracy in the original sense—that is, technically capable producers having a part in running things. Nearly none of the influential folks running things now have any technical ability. They are anti-technology.

We need you, not necessarily for funding but for effort, yes. Not one particular subgroup of us (like that above) but any subgroup. Jump right into a project somewhere. Choose your own project, or start a new one. We each lead, at times. Other times, we follow or get out of the way.


11 posted on 11/23/2014 8:36:17 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Thank you so much for the engaging essay!


13 posted on 11/23/2014 9:29:52 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: grey_whiskers
You have articulated so well a question that has preoccupied me for some time: how can liberty and a decent society be preserved in the wake of technological revolution? You also confront us with the question whether in the era of globalization we should adopt a more mercantilist policy?

The obvious historic parallel to our digital and technological revolution currently remaking our world is the advent of the Industrial Revolution which dislocated whole populations as it eliminated traditional ways of sustaining life. In the modern age Western societies, for good or for ill, demand the government intervene to cushion dislocations generated by technological change. You raise the question whether governments are capable of coping with the scope of dislocations which are bound to occur as we move into a society in which wealth is increasingly created by robots and software.

Our social safety net society is peculiarly vulnerable to such change because so many of our social welfare programs rest on the foundation of employment. If workers are displaced for robots, what happens to the Social Security system? What happens to healthcare funded at the workplace? How can society be made to work if the social net is kept in place for those who do not work because robots are now doing their job? When a robot becomes obsolete with age does its employer pay a pension to the individual who lost his job to that robot? If not, what happens to our aged?

Obama's solution only makes the problem worse and of course that is the solution being imposed on us tyrannically, to import millions of uneducated (you should excuse the expression, Congresswoman Bachmann), illiterate and unskilled alien workers to fund Social Security and the rest of the social safety net. I think that scheme was tried by a fellow named Ponzi and it came to grief. Both the solution and the process which brings us this solution are, I fear, a model for future solutions be pushed by the left.

Elizabeth Warren tells us that we have no right to that wealth our robots might generate because " you didn't build that" and that song is going to become more and more popular as displaced people seize on it to rationalize government compelling wealth transfers to themselves.

History tells us that the dislocations of Dickensian horrors of the early Industrial Revolution in England should not be allowed to happen to us. Certainly, the people will not permit the government to stand idly by without "fixing" the problem, making things more "fair" and in exchange a huge chunk personal liberty will be readily sacrificed. Government will be only too eager to "manage" these dislocations but it is up to conservatives to preserve liberty while they do so.

I have no answer, I do not know how conservative values of liberty and preservation of property can be maintained in such an atmosphere. Clearly, the idea of basing the social net on employment will not survive. The idea of keeping wealth must somehow survive.

As to globalization, the United States is taking a knife to a gunfight because our leaders, beginning with George Bush Senior and Junior and right on through to today were oriented not as trustees with a fiduciary duty to their nation state, but as pioneers of one world global market. Philosophically, they saw no harm in sacrificing national advantage for the greater long-term goal of globalization. In dealing with the Chinese, the United States has exhibited an astonishing level of naïveté. History will undoubtedly someday reveal that the United States trade posture with China is also the product of an enormous degree of corruption.

The Chinese are making war by other means and we are making nice. Eventually this rubber band, like the rubber band holding the social safety net together in the face of technological change, will tear asunder.


14 posted on 11/23/2014 10:44:42 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: grey_whiskers

Bump for later


15 posted on 11/23/2014 11:00:19 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: grey_whiskers

Nice to see you composing again. A lot of important questions, without easy answers.


16 posted on 11/24/2014 2:22:19 AM PST by Tax-chick (Science wants to kill us.)
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There is a misconception, propagated by gloBULLists using standard fear tactics, that products manufactued in the USA are prohibitivly expensive due to “high” labor costs. This is not the case, as labor is only one component in manufacturing, a small one at that. Labor is between 5-7% of a finshed good’s retail price. Offshoring only saves a few pennies on the dollar and this foolish and short sided practice costs us dearly in social instability and the death of small manufacturing towns all over the USA. Sad and stupid.


19 posted on 11/24/2014 4:43:09 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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